Aug. 24, 2022

#13 - Ordained, Gay, and Seeking Liberation: A Chat with Rev. Tyler Sit

#13 - Ordained, Gay, and Seeking Liberation: A Chat with Rev. Tyler Sit
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COMMUNION & SHALOM

David and TJ sit down with Rev. Tyler Sit of New City Church in the Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA. Tyler represents a “Side A” pastoral perspective as an ordained minister for the United Methodist Church in the US. In this wide-ranging conversation, David and TJ to seek to understand Tyler's perspective, his understanding of Side B, and his take on Side A hermeneutics, particularly those centered in liberation theologies. Tyler was an excellent conversation partner in this. We encourage our listeners to listen closely to understand one Side A perspective more carefully, and consider how a Side B perspective might engage similar folks.


(Note: We often use the terms “Side A” and “Side B” as shorthand. "Side A" generally affirms God can bless same-sex marriage and sexual relationships. “Side B” recognizes people experience same-sex sexual attraction while upholding the historic Christian sexual ethic of marriage between a man and a woman, and sex within marriage.)


Check out our response to Rev. Tyler Sit and other Side A guests in episode #23 - ⁠Side B Response to Side A: Our 2022 Guests ⁠


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Timestamps


02:19 - Tyler’s story: “I want to see God”

07:18 - Tyler’s story: Coming out, pursuing ministry

11:18 - The United Methodist Church’s approach to homosexuality

13:45 - Tyler’s story: Pursuing ordination, LGBT campus ministry

19:42 - Tyler’s story: Encountering other Christian perspectives in seminary

21:50 - Tyler on constructs for sexuality

25:51 - Methodist positions and tensions over the last (many) years

33:15 - A hermeneutic of loving God, neighbor, self

36:00 - Q: Why is the traditional/non-affirming perspective not persuasive to you? (Liberation theology, purity culture)

45:27 - Q: Why does the church need queer voices?

50:24 - Liberation theology: How does “the coming age” relate to sexuality right now?

52:39 - Suffering in the Christian life


1:03:30 - Early Christianity persecution and family models

1:07:34 - Where we diverge on humans’ design, power, and authority

1:22:26 - David’s experience with Tyler’s church, plus our initial experiences with community, coming out

1:30:35 - The use of tradition, authority, and “orthophilia”

1:34:45 - Differing ideological frameworks: “Empire” vs. “the world”

1:39:23 - Christendom, justice movements, and our relationship to the state

1:42:58 - Freedom and oppression, God as a parent, and centers of identity

1:48:46 - Benediction


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Links and References


Tyler Sit’s website: www.tylersit.com/about-tyler


An article on the United Methodist’s “Traditional Plan”.


The Romans passage mentioned in our conversation is Romans 1:16-32.



Below are some links that may help make this conversation accessible to global listeners (inclusion does not imply endorsement, of course): The Boy Scouts of America (Wikipedia), Westboro Baptist Church (Wikipedia), ROTC program (Wikipedia), Hillel House (Wikipedia), Candler School of Theology, About Taizé prayer.


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