Episodes

#37 - Judge Daniel Quinan: The Telos of Sex and (Catholic) Marriage

Nov. 29, 2023

Catholic canon lawyer Daniel Quinan works for the Catholic church, not the state legal system, reviewing marriage annullment cases for the Catholic Archdiocese. If you’re Catholic, maybe you’re familiar with this system. If …

BONUS: Linden Hope's Songs for the Bees (Debut Album)

Nov. 9, 2023

Linden Hope's debut album comes from her collection of songs processing through her own journey of faith and sexuality. Please contribute love to the "Bees" by supporting her kickstarter by November 21st. https://www.kicksta…

#36 - A Mystical Vision for LGBTQ+ Discipleship with Eden Invitation

Nov. 8, 2023

Anna Carter and Shannon Ochoa lead Eden Invitation, a Catholic Side B ministry for LGBTQ+ discipleship. TJ and David talked with them about their founding story, mystical theology, Pride Month, the opportunity and challenges…

#35 - Marco Casanova on Integration, Healing, and Orientation

Oct. 18, 2023

Marco Casanova is a Catholic leader of a ministry called Living Waters, helping people pursue healing, often around sexuality. TJ and David had a very engaging talk with Marco about his take on homosexuality/same-sex attract…

#34 - Interview with a Longstanding Side B Ally, Misty Irons

Sept. 27, 2023

Misty Irons has been part of the faith and sexuality conversation for over 20 years. We were honored to talk to her about her journey with Side B, being an ally to queer people, and what an “accommodationist” view of Side A …

#33 - Asking Better Questions with Oriented to Love’s Kristyn Komarnicki

Sept. 6, 2023

Kristyn Komarnicki started Oriented to Love 13 years ago, almost accidentally, in an effort to include the voices of gay people who weren’t present in Christian spaces that she was involved in. Since then, this program, unde…

#32 - TJ Participated in an “Oriented to Love” Dialogue--Here Are His Thoughts

Aug. 16, 2023

In the spring, TJ attended a small dialogue, Oriented to Love (OTL), sponsored by the Christians for Social Action. OTL hosts thoughtful conversations across difference, specifically among Christians, both queer and straight…

#31 - "You Keep Using that Word..." - Greg Coles & Erin Phelps on How Sexual Orientation Is Socially Constructed - Live at Revoice 2023

July 26, 2023

Hey there! We recorded an episode at Revoice 2023—a conference supporting Christians who are sexual minorities seeking to live out their faith according to a traditional, biblical sexual ethic. We loved doing this live episo…

#30 - Imagining the Commons with Brendan Johnson

July 5, 2023

If God calls us to seek the common good of our communities—what does that mean in real life? The commons , a shared community place or resource, is a critical idea in this conversation. Even better: it’s not just an idea; it…

Revoice LIVE: Culture & Contextualization w/ Greg Coles

June 14, 2023

Join us tomorrow (6/15) @3pm for a live recording at Revoice. We'll be exploring the nature of social construction, especially how that bears on the life of the Side B community. Come join David, TJ, & friends and be ready…

#29 - Weigh and Consider the World: Joel Carini on Nature, Truth, and Side B

June 14, 2023

We (TJ and David) first connected with philosopher Joel Carini from a few of his articles on a reformed theology of same-sex attraction. In this episode, Joel joined us for a conversation around various Christian contexts, n…

#28 - Ariel on Being a Friend to Side B

May 24, 2023

Ariel is a friend of this podcast and—more importantly—a friend to many humans, both queer and straight. We have seen her intuitive care and fierce kindness shine in her support of queer friends and family. We asked her to s…

Side B Bonfire Invite - Friday June 2nd

May 11, 2023

Are you in or around the Twin Cities? On June 2nd, we're co-hosting a Side B gathering with our friends from Eden Invitation (you'll hear more about them later this fall). Please email communionandshalom@gmail.com so we can …

#27 - A Wager Like Pascal's: Paul-Anthony Turner on Side A Sexuality

May 3, 2023

Paul-Anthony Turner is a gay Christian philosopher and pastor who used to be Side B (holding a traditional Christian sexual ethic of chastity in opposite-sex marriage or a celibate vocation) and is now Side A (affirming same…

#26 - Make Sides Not War: Why the “Sides” Framework Still Supports the Sexuality Conversation

April 12, 2023

Within Christian circles on the faith and sexuality, we (especially Side B people) spend a lot of time talking about different “sides” and where we stand. Some people think we shouldn’t even talk about sides at all. While th…

#25 - Ethnicity: Where Do We Come From? Why Does It Matter?

March 22, 2023

Ethnicity, race, nationalism… Just bringing up those words can raise the temperature of the room. These topics intersect and affect our daily lives in ways that are so important—how do we, as Christians, engage these topics …

#24 - African Voices: Mwendia Shares on Same-Sex Attraction in Kenya

March 1, 2023

We are so excited to welcome Mwendia Steve Kiengu to the podcast as we begin highlighting perspectives from Africa! Mwendia is a seminary student in Kenya who’s grown up with same-sex attraction. He talks with TJ about the A…

#23 - Side B Response to Side A: Our 2022 Guests

Feb. 8, 2023

We (David and TJ) are Side B, and we care about engaging people across differences. Last year we interviewed three Side A folks from different perspectives: #12 - JP’s Story: Moving Away from Side B #13 - Ordained, Gay, and …

#22 - Unity and Differences in Side B

Jan. 18, 2023

Contrary to (some) opinions, those of us who consider ourselves “Side B” on Christian sexuality don’t agree on everything, nor is there a shared “declaration of theology” document that we can all agree on. What ideas unite a…

#21 - Tate's Story: Growing Up Gay in Texas

Dec. 28, 2022

Tate grew up in small-town, Bible-belt Texas before attending “the absolute worst of the worst” university that was “too liberal or too secular.” We (David and TJ) talk with Tate about his story of coming out, growing in fai…

#20 - How Should We Then Live with Eros? Part 3 with Kathryn Mogk Wagner

Dec. 9, 2022

True love means… what?? There are many answers to that question, and in this episode, we’re just talking about some of them. In part 3 of our conversation with medieval literature scholar Kathryn Mogk Wagner, we reflect on s…

#19 - A History of Romance in the West—Part 2 with Kathryn Mogk Wagner

Dec. 8, 2022

But not that kind of western romance… Pop quiz: Which of the following reasons is a good reason to get married to someone? Because your family or social circle wants you to Because you sexually desire that person (or are alr…

#18 - What Is Love, Anyway? Defining Eros—Part 1 with Kathryn Mogk Wagner

Dec. 7, 2022

What does it mean to love your best friend? Is it the same as the kind of love you have for your spouse or romantic partner? How about the kind of love that God gives us, or that we can give God? These are questions that peo…

#17 - Giacomo Sanfilippo on the Asceticism of Same-Sex Love

Nov. 16, 2022

Note: This podcast includes content suitable for adult audiences; listener discretion is advised. Giacomo was a great conversation partner for building understanding across differences and investigating a theology of same-se…