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Calaroga Shark Media. Good morning. This is Daily Crime and
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Justice from Calaroga Shark Media, powered by AI. I'm Garrett Fisher.
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It's Monday, September 7th, 2026. At 23 minutes past two
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on Friday afternoon in a courtroom in Plymouth, Massachusetts, Judge
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William Sullivan declared a mistrial in the case of Lindsay Clancy.
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Twelve people had spent roughly 38 hours across seven days
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trying to answer one question, and they could not do it.
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Jury notes indicate they were split 11 to 1 in
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favor of acquitting her. The courts are closed today. There
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is no new filing, no hearing, nothing to report from
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Plymouth County. So we are going to do something we
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almost never do on this show. We are going to
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go all the way back to the beginning and take
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the whole thing apart. The night itself. The four months
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of medical care that came before it. The trial. The
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experts who could not agree. The circus that grew up
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on the sidewalk. And the collapse. Because after six weeks,
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this case is going to be argued about for years
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by people who watched about nine minutes of it. And
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I would rather you had the whole record. This is
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the Lindsay Clancy case, start to finish. Start with the
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children because they are the reason. Cora Clancy was five
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years old. She was in kindergarten. Dawson Clancy was three.
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Callan Clancy was eight months old and had been alive
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for less than a year. They lived at 47 Summer
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Street in Duxbury, Massachusetts, a coastal town about 35 miles
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south of Boston, with their mother, Lindsay, who was a
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labor and delivery nurse, and their father, Patrick. On the
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evening of January 24th, 2023, Lindsay Clancy asked Patrick to
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go out. There was takeout to pick up and a
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prescription to collect at the pharmacy for Cora. He was
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gone roughly 25 minutes. In that window, in the basement
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of that house, she strangled all three of her children
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with exercise resistance bands. Then she cut her own wrists
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and her neck and went out a second-story window. The
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fall did not kill her. It severed her spine. She
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has been paralyzed from the waist down ever since, and
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she will be for the rest of her life. Patrick
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Clancy came home to a silent house. He found blood
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in the master bedroom. He found his wife outside in
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the snow, and she told him she had tried to
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kill herself and that the children were in the basement.
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His 911 call became the single most devastating piece of
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evidence in this trial. It runs about seven minutes. It
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starts with him telling a dispatcher his wife tried to
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kill herself and telling her to stay awake. and then
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you hear him go downstairs. When prosecutors played it in court,
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the judge ordered the cameras off. Reporters inside described jurors crying,
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Lindsay Clancy crying. The judge called a recess as soon
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as it ended. She was charged with three counts of
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first-degree murder. She pleaded not guilty by reason of lack
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of criminal responsibility. She has never once denied doing it.
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And here's something you should know before we go any further,
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because it shapes everything. Patrick Clancy has publicly forgiven his ex-wife.
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He has described her as a good mother who became ill.
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He divorced her, moved to New York, remarried, and he
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has still stood in public and said she was sick.
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There is no version of this story where the surviving
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parent is out for blood, and any coverage that suggests
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otherwise is inventing a character that does not exist. Now
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rewind four months, because this is the part of the
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case most people have never heard, and it is the
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part that should terrify you. On September 15th of 2022,
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Lindsay Clancy had her first appointment with a psychiatrist named Dr.
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Jennifer Tufts. It was a Zoom appointment. She was prescribed
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the antidepressant Zoloft. Over the next four months, her mental
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health came apart, and it came apart in front of professionals.
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This was not a woman hiding a decline. Callan had
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been born in May of 2022. By that autumn, she
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was in the medical system and staying in it. She
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saw multiple providers. By the defense's count, she was prescribed
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more than a dozen different medications in that window, with
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drugs added, swapped, and stopped. She reported anxiety, insomnia, brain fog, depression,
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suicidal thinking, and intrusive thoughts about harming her children. She
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told her mother she was suicidal. She told her husband
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she was afraid she would hurt the kids. She searched
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the internet for postpartum depression. She called a suicide hotline. Twice.
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And twice she was turned away because she did not
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have a plan. On January 1st, three weeks before her
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children died, she voluntarily admitted herself to a psychiatric hospital
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and stayed five days. Think about what that means. 23
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days before three children were strangled in a basement, their
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mother checked herself into a psychiatric facility. She was discharged.
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She went home to those children. And nobody who treated her,
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according to their own testimony, saw signs of postpartum psychosis,
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or heard her describe a voice. And in the week
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before the killings, Patrick Clancy went to a doctor and
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said his wife was being turned into a zombie. Five
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days before, she searched for hallucinations and psychosis symptoms. The
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following day, she searched for where the carotid artery is
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and how to cut your own throat. She also kept
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a journal, and prosecutors used it. The Commonwealth's reading of
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those entries was that they showed a woman who resented
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the life she had and made a choice. The defense's
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reading was that they showed a mind coming apart in
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real time. That jury got both readings and, as it
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turns out, could not agree on which one was right either. Dr.
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Tufts testified for the prosecution. On direct, she told the
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jury Clancy never disclosed hearing voices and never described any
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compulsion to hurt her children, and that, in her judgment,
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this was postpartum depression, not psychosis. Then Kevin Reddington cross-examined her,
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and she acknowledged that she had never met Lindsay Clancy
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in person, not once. Every appointment was remote. She acknowledged
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that she never ordered blood testing to see what the
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medications she was prescribing were actually doing in this woman's body.
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And she acknowledged that she had become board-certified only days
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before she began treating her. Nobody in that courtroom accused
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Jennifer Tufts of wanting any of this to happen. That
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is not the allegation, and it is not mine either.
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The allegation is that a woman deteriorating in real time
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was being managed over video by a provider who had
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just gotten certified who never ran a blood panel, and
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that when that woman picked up a phone and called
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a crisis line, the system asked her whether she had
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a plan, decided she did not, and let her go.
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That is the four months. And whatever you conclude about
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criminal responsibility, that record is not in dispute. Both sides
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put it in front of the jury. They just wanted
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the jury to draw different conclusions from it. And there
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is one gap in that record that the Commonwealth stood
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in for five weeks, and it is the strongest thing
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they had. Lindsay Clancy told a great many people a
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great many things in those four months. Her husband, her mother,
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her providers, her journal, crisis lines. But she never told
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a single treating provider that she was hearing a voice
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commanding her to kill her children. That detail surfaces afterward.
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It surfaces to a chaplain, to her husband, and to
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experts hired to evaluate her. The defense answer is that
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psychosis is genuinely a nightmare to reconstruct after the fact,
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and that people inside it do not narrate it in
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real time. That is medically true. It is also true
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that the gap is there, and every prosecution expert stood
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in it. Cora, Dawson, and Callan died at the end
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of that four months. Someone has to say their names,
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and I am going to keep saying them all the
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way through today. When we come back, 84 witnesses, six experts,
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and the ghost of Andrea Yates. Jury selection began July 20th.
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Opening statements were July 27th. The evidence closed on September 2nd.
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21 days of testimony, 84 witnesses, 74 for the Commonwealth,
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and 10 for the defense. Roughly 300 exhibits. The Commonwealth's
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theory was planning. Assistant District Attorneys Jennifer Sprague and Shannon
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Buckingham argued that Lindsay Clancy engineered her own window of opportunity.
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that she was the one who sent her husband out
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for takeout and a prescription, and that a woman who
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can order food and time an errand is a woman
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executing a plan. They built it on data, her phone activity,
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her searches, her Apple Watch logging her moving through that house.
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The defense theory was that she was in the grip
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of postpartum psychosis, made worse by a rotating set of prescriptions,
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and that the Commonwealth could not prove she was capable
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of stopping herself. Because that is where the burden sits
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in Massachusetts. Once criminal responsibility is genuinely in play, the
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state has to prove the defendant was responsible. The defense
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does not have to prove she was not. Patrick Clancy
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was the first witness the Commonwealth called. He has since
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divorced her, moved to New York, and remarried. Taking that
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stand was the first time he had been in a
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room with his ex-wife since the day his children died.
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She watched him. He mostly did not look back. His mother,
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Susan Clancy, testified for the defense and told the jury
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her former daughter-in-law had been begging for help. When she
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left the stand, reporters described her pausing as she passed Lindsay,
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trying to catch her eye and giving her a small nod.
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The medical examiner's testimony broke Clancy. When the doctor began
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describing the ligature marks on each child's neck, she said
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out loud that she could not do this, and the
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judge stopped the proceedings until she could compose herself. That
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happened more than once. And then there were the experts.
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And this is where the case actually lived. For the defense, Dr.
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Philip Resnick, a forensic psychiatrist who has testified in some
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of the most notorious cases in American history, including Jeffrey Dahmer,
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Timothy McVeigh, and both criminal trials of Andrea Yates. Resnick
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told this jury Clancy was frankly psychotic, that she was
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in a dream state, and that it was almost as
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though she were a puppet with someone else pulling the strings.
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He described what she did using two clinical terms, altruistic filicide,
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a parent killing a child out of a distorted belief
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that it is merciful, and acutely psychotic filicide. For the Commonwealth,
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three men. Dr. Avram Mack said what she had was
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a major depressive episode, not psychosis, and that she could
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tell right from wrong. His most damaging testimony was about
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three words. Clancy told him that while she was killing
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her children, she said, go to God. Mack's reading was
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that this showed she understood those children were innocents and
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that what she was doing was the opposite. Dr. Kirk Heilbrun,
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a forensic psychologist, told the jury that on several points
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her account more closely resembled exaggerated or fabricated hallucinations. He
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also testified that a voice appearing only during the roughly
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18 minutes in which the children were killed and never
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before or after would be highly unusual. But the same
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witness also told that jury she is still grieving, still
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in mourning for those children, and that he would not
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describe her as self-centered. And Dr. Gregory Sathoff, a senior
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psychiatrist with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, spent about 11
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hours interviewing her. His testimony was the most specific attack
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on the voice, that she had never reported hearing one
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before or since, that she described it as constant rather
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than intermittent, and that it stopped the moment the children
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were dead. Committing the act, he told the jury, is
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not curative of a hallucination, and he had never seen that.
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Reddington's answer to all three was the same, and it
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worked well enough to hang a jury. He went at
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their credentials. He got Mack to acknowledge this was roughly
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the third time in his career he had testified on
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criminal responsibility. He got Heilbrun on his lack of experience
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actually treating postpartum psychosis. He got Sathoff to concede his
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published work is mostly about terrorism, not postpartum illness, and
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that he did not interview Clancy until more than three
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years after the children died. And he had one more thing.
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Two of the Commonwealth's experts work for a firm called
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Park Deets and Associates. Park Deets was the prosecution's expert
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at Andrea Yates' first trial, the one where she was convicted.
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His testimony turned out to be inaccurate, and that inaccuracy
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is why that conviction was thrown out. At her second trial,
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Yates was found not guilty by reason of insanity. The
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Yates case shadowed this entire trial. Resnick testified in both
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of hers. Two prosecution experts came from Dietz's firm, and
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a nurse who once worked alongside Lindsay Clancy on a
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labor and delivery floor testified that years earlier the two
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of them had discussed Andrea Yates, and that Clancy cried
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about it and said she could not understand how any
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mother could hurt her children. That testimony is either the
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most damning thing in this case or the most heartbreaking,
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depending entirely on which conclusion you have already reached. Both
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readings are available, which is a fair description of the
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entire trial. And I want to note the one thing
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all six experts agreed on, because it got lost constantly
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in the coverage. Every single one of them, defense and prosecution,
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testified that Lindsay Clancy was suffering from a serious mental
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disease or defect. Nobody argued she was well. The dispute
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was never whether she was ill. It was whether the
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specific illness she had took away her ability to know
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it was wrong or her ability to stop. That is
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a much narrower door than most people assume, and it
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is why this case was always going to be hard.
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Two more things you should know about. The first is
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the charge conference, which almost nobody covered and which mattered enormously.
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At the very end, over the Commonwealth's objection, Sullivan agreed
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to give the jury a manslaughter option. So they went
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in with five choices. First degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter,
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not guilty, and not criminally responsible. A middle option is
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supposed to prevent a hung jury. Remember that. The second
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is the closings, and they were as good as this