WEBVTT
1
00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:13.759
Caalarogu Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Reed Carter. Thursday, December eighteenth,
2
00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:18.199
twenty twenty five. Yesterday we talked about Luigi Mangione, the
3
00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:21.760
CEO killer who became a folk hero. The assassination that
4
00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:28.519
millions celebrated, merchandise defense funds, Free Luigi hashtags today. The
5
00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:32.079
other assassination, the one that became a rallying cry instead
6
00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.280
of a celebration, The killing that intensified political divisions instead
7
00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:41.240
of transcending them. September tenth, twenty twenty five, Utah Valley
8
00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:45.840
University in aorum, Utah outdoor courtyards surrounded by tall buildings,
9
00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:51.039
first stop on Turning Point, USA's American Comeback Tour. Three
10
00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:56.840
thousand people waiting in the sunshine, students, supporters, curious onlookers.
11
00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:01.200
Security guards positioned near the stage but not on the rooftops.
12
00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:06.439
No drones monitoring the buildings, no metal detectors at the entrances.
13
00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:10.000
Just a normal campus day in what locals call Happy Valley.
14
00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.400
Twelve oh nine pm, Mountain time. Charlie Kirk appears, throws
15
00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.079
hats into the crowd, takes his position under the tent,
16
00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:22.519
ready to debate students about politics. Free speech. Whatever they
17
00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:25.400
want to argue about. That's what he does. That's what
18
00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:29.879
made him famous. Twelve twenty three PM, A student asks
19
00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:35.879
about mass shootings, gun violence, transgender people. Kirk starts to answer. Bang.
20
00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:40.079
Single shot from one hundred forty two yards away bolt
21
00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.400
action rifle fired from a rooftop hit Kirk in the neck.
22
00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:49.000
He collapsed, Security swarmed, students scattered, chaos in the courtyard.
23
00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.760
Charlie Kirk, thirty one years old, founder of Turning Point USA,
24
00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:58.319
co founder of the Conservative Youth Movement, Donald Trump's closest
25
00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:03.760
young ally, father of two, husband to Erica, pronounced dead
26
00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:09.479
at Timpanogos Regional Hospital the next day. Tyler Robinson, twenty
27
00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:13.599
two years old, surrendered to police in southwest Utah. His
28
00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:17.159
parents had recognized him from surveillance footage and convinced him
29
00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:20.639
to turn himself in. In his pocket text messages to
30
00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.719
his trans partner, confessing everything. I had enough of his hatred.
31
00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.039
Some hate can't be negotiated out. Two political assassinations in
32
00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:34.439
less than a year. One killer celebrated, one killer condemned,
33
00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:39.080
one victim mourned by millions, one victim whose death prompted
34
00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:44.800
merchandise sales Welcome to America. In twenty twenty five, I'm reed, Carter.
35
00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:49.039
This is celebrity Trials today, number six on our countdown
36
00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.319
of the top crime and justice stories of the year.
37
00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.240
Charlie Kirk, the Utah assassination, and the trial that will
38
00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:58.599
ask whether killing someone for their speech is terrorism. Let's
39
00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:05.680
begin Before we talk about the shooting, Let's talk about
40
00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:11.280
who Charlie Kirk was. Charles James Kirk born October fourteenth,
41
00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:15.759
nineteen ninety three in Arlington Heights, Illinois, middle class Christian
42
00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:20.080
family in the Chicago suburbs, raised on conservative politics and
43
00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:25.759
evangelical Christianity. Unlike most political commentators, Kirk never went to college.
44
00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.879
Got accepted to West Point, but his spot was given
45
00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.000
to the child of a congressman, or so the story goes.
46
00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.759
Either way, Kirk decided formal education wasn't for him. Instead,
47
00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:42.039
at eighteen years old, in twenty twelve, he co founded
48
00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:46.319
Turning Point USA with Bill Montgomery. The idea was simple,
49
00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.439
build a conservative youth movement. Go to college campuses, challenge
50
00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:56.599
progressive students to debate, create content, build an audience, change
51
00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.000
the culture. By twenty twenty five, Turning Point u S
52
00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.560
USA had become one of the most influential conservative organizations
53
00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:07.439
in America, chapters on over three thousand, five hundred college
54
00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:11.159
and high school campuses, millions of followers across social media,
55
00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.879
annual conferences drawing thousands of attendees, major Republican politicians speaking
56
00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.759
at their events. Kirk himself became one of the most
57
00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:24.160
recognized conservative voices in the country. Hosted The Charlie Kirk Show,
58
00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:28.680
one of the most listened to conservative podcasts, wrote multiple books,
59
00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.959
appeared on Fox News, regularly spoke at the Republican National Convention,
60
00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:37.000
and he was only thirty one years old, America's youngest
61
00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:41.480
conservative kingmaker. His political positions were exactly what you'd expect
62
00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:46.839
from someone in his lane, pro Trump, anti immigration, anti abortion,
63
00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:52.759
pro Israel, and notably consistently critical of transgender rights, gender
64
00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:57.199
affirming care, and what he called gender ideology. That last
65
00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.519
one matters for understanding what happened. Kirk wasn't subtle about
66
00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.600
his views on transgender issues, called gender affirming surgery, child mutilation,
67
00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:12.839
opposed transgender athletes competing in women's sports, mocked pronouns, platformed
68
00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:17.560
speakers who shared those views. His critics called him a transphobe.
69
00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:22.000
His supporters called him a defender of biological reality. Either way,
70
00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.519
his position was clear and consistent. In twenty twenty one,
71
00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:31.759
Kirk married Erica Frantsvi, former Miss Arizona, USA, faith based
72
00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.800
entrepreneur podcaster. They had two children together, a daughter born
73
00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.560
in August twenty twenty two a son born in May
74
00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.040
twenty twenty four. The family lived in Scottsdale, Arizona, in
75
00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.360
a four point seventy five million dollar estate. Kirk had
76
00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:49.800
a real estate portfolio worth millions. His organization paid him handsomely.
77
00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.680
By any measure, he was successful, but he was also polarizing.
78
00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.399
The Anti Defamation League accused Turning Point of providing a
79
00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:01.600
vast platform for extremists. Jewish groups were split on whether
80
00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:05.000
his pro Israel stance outweighed his willingness to platform anti
81
00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.439
Semitic figures. Progressive groups saw him as dangerous, Conservative groups
82
00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.480
saw him as essential. Here's the thing about Charlie Kirk.
83
00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.360
You didn't have to agree with him to recognize what
84
00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:20.079
he represented. He was effective, He built something real. He
85
00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.839
mobilized young conservatives in a way nobody else had. He
86
00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.360
helped Trump win the youth vote in twenty twenty four,
87
00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.639
and he genuinely seemed to believe what he preached. Whether
88
00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.079
you think his beliefs were righteous or repugnant, they weren't
89
00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:38.639
an act. September tenth, twenty twenty five, Kirk arrived at
90
00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.519
Utah Valley University for the first stop of the Fall
91
00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.920
American Comeback Tour. His wife, Riko wasn't with him, she
92
00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.279
was in Arizona with her hospitalized mother. Kirk was there
93
00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.000
with his security team, ready to do what he did best,
94
00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.240
debate students under a tent. The format was simple. Students
95
00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:01.680
line up, ask questions. Kirk responds, sometimes grees, usually disagrees,
96
00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:06.000
always creates content. That's the turning point. Model three thousand
97
00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.800
people showed up. The courtyard was packed. The weather was perfect,
98
00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:14.360
clear and sunny, perfect weather for a sniper. The question
99
00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.399
that came at twelve twenty three pm was about mass
100
00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.360
shootings and gun violence and transgender people. The student was
101
00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:23.959
asking about trans mass shooters whether there was a connection.
102
00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.920
Kirk started to answer, got about halfway through a sentence,
103
00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.839
then the bullet hit from one hundred and forty two
104
00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.319
yards away the rooftop of the Lozy Center building. A
105
00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.399
Mauser Model ninety eight bolt action rifle with a scope
106
00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:41.399
thirty oh six caliber, one shot center of the neck.
107
00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.519
Kirk collapsed. Security surrounded him, called for help, rushed him
108
00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:49.040
to the hospital, but there was nothing to be done.
109
00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.199
Charlie Kirk was pronounced dead later that afternoon. He was
110
00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.800
thirty one years old, left behind a wife, a three
111
00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.839
year old daughter, and a one year old son. Whatever
112
00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.600
you think of his politics, whatever you think of his positions,
113
00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.360
whatever you think of his rhetoric, he was a husband,
114
00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.279
a father, a human being shot in the neck while
115
00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.240
answering a question about mass shootings. The irony rights itself,
116
00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:24.560
but it's not funny. The manhunt lasted thirty three hours.
117
00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.279
FBI released surveillance footage of the shooter jumping off the
118
00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:33.519
rooftop after firing, running across campus disappearing. They found the
119
00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.519
rifle in a wooded area near the university, wrapped in
120
00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.399
a dark towel, bolt action scope a gift from the
121
00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:45.200
shooter's grandfather. DNA on the trigger matched Tyler James Robinson,
122
00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:50.000
twenty two years old from Washington, Utah, about two hundred
123
00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.080
and forty miles southwest of the university. Robinson's family are
124
00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.600
members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
125
00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.279
His grandmother said most of the family are Republicans, she
126
00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.399
didn't know a single Democrat. Robinson grew up shooting guns.
127
00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.799
Family photos showed trips to ranges and weapons displays. He
128
00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:14.120
graduated from Pineview High School in May twenty twenty one.
129
00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:18.679
Attended Dixie State University and later Utah State University, but
130
00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.879
dropped out and then something changed. According to his mother,
131
00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.320
Robinson had become more political in the past year, more
132
00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.679
pro gay and trans rights oriented, different from the rest
133
00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.919
of his conservative family. He'd also started dating his roommate,
134
00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.600
a person described in court documents as a biological male
135
00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:43.440
who was transitioning genders. They lived together in Saint George, Utah.
136
00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:48.279
Robinson wasn't registered with any political party, never voted. There's
137
00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.480
no evidence of his positions on immigration or labor or
138
00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.480
anything else typically associated with the left. Just one issue,
139
00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:01.759
transgender rights. Here's what investigators found. Before the shooting, Robinson
140
00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.679
had texted his partner about Kirk's upcoming visit to Utah
141
00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:09.000
Valley University, called it a stupid venue, accused Kirk of
142
00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.879
spreading hate. Robinson arrived on campus at eight twenty nine am,
143
00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.840
drove a gray dodge. Challenger wore a maroon T shirt,
144
00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.440
light shorts, black hat, changed into dark clothing on campus.
145
00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.480
Surveillance cameras caught him moving through stairwells up to a roof,
146
00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.679
across the roof to a shooting position at twelve twenty
147
00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.159
three pm. He fired the shot, then he jumped off
148
00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.639
the building, ran, hid the rifle in the woods, changed
149
00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:41.519
clothes again, disappeared. While the man hunt was underway, Robinson
150
00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.639
texted his partner, I had the opportunity to take out
151
00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.039
Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. His partner
152
00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:53.279
asked if he was the shooter. I am. I'm sorry why.
153
00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.320
I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
154
00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:01.759
negotiated out. Robinson told his partner to delete the messages.
155
00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:06.879
The partner didn't. Meanwhile, Robinson's parents were watching the news,
156
00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:12.399
saw the surveillance footage recognized their son. When they finally
157
00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:15.600
reached him, Robinson implied he wanted to kill himself. His
158
00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.799
parents convinced him to come home. Once there, Robinson admitted
159
00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.279
he was the shooter, said he couldn't go to jail,
160
00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.000
just wanted to end it. A family friend, a retired
161
00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.879
sheriff's deputy convinced Robinson to surrender peacefully. The next evening,
162
00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.120
Robinson and his parents drove to the Washington County Sheriff's office.
163
00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.200
He turned himself in. FBI Director Cash Patel announced the
164
00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:42.480
arrest within thirty three hours of the shooting. Here's the
165
00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:46.519
psychological picture that emerges. A young man from a conservative
166
00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:51.000
Mormon family, dropped out of college, started dating a trans person,
167
00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.960
drifted away from his family's politics, became consumed by one issue.
168
00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.879
Decided that Charlie Kirk's anti trans rhetoric was hatred that
169
00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:04.039
couldn't be negotiated out, so he shot him. Utah Governor
170
00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:07.840
Spencer Cox said Robinson appeared to have become radicalized after
171
00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.159
dropping out of college, may have been influenced by aspects
172
00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.159
of internet culture. Had attended a family dinner where he
173
00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:17.879
expressed dislike of Kirk and discussed his upcoming visit to UVU.
174
00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.200
The bullet casings found at the scene were inscribed with
175
00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:26.799
messages one read hey fascist catch, followed by video game
176
00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:33.639
symbols references to internet culture memes the language of online radicalization.
177
00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.320
NPR spoke to researchers who study political violence. They said
178
00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.440
the inscriptions were performative, Robinson was thinking about how he'd
179
00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.320
be situated within the universe of mass shooters and high
180
00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:51.480
profile killers. After the shooting, Robinson reportedly joked in discord
181
00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.919
chats that his doppelganger had committed the crime, said he'd
182
00:12:55.120 --> 00:13:00.200
better also get rid of this manifesto. This wasn't spontaneous rage.
183
00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.919
This was planned, premeditated, calculated, and now Tyler Robinson faces
184
00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:15.639
the death penalty. September sixteenth, twenty twenty five, Utah County
185
00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:20.440
Attorney Jeffrey Gray announced charges aggravated murder, felony use of
186
00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.960
a firearm, two counts of obstruction of justice for hiding
187
00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.240
the rifle and discarding his clothing, two counts of witness
188
00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.879
tampering for instructing his partner to delete texts and stay silent,
189
00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.879
one count of committing a violent offense in front of children.
190
00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:38.360
The suspect targeted Charlie Kirk based on his political expression.
191
00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:43.279
Gray said, if convicted, Robinson faces death by lethal injection.
192
00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.919
Last week, December eleventh, Robinson made his first in person
193
00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:53.399
court appearance provo courthouse. Heavy security streets blocked off nine
194
00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.240
deputies in the courtroom. He walked in calmly blue button
195
00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:01.679
up shirt, pink tie, handcuffed, smiled at his family in
196
00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.039
the front row. His mother wiped tears from her eyes.
197
00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.879
The hearing focused on media access. Defense wants camera's band.
198
00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:14.799
Prosecution doesn't oppose media presence. Judge hasn't ruled yet. Preliminary
199
00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.840
hearings set for May eighteenth, twenty twenty six, three days
200
00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:23.000
of testimony. The question isn't really whether Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.
201
00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:27.159
The text messages, the DNA, the surveillance footage, The evidence
202
00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.919
is overwhelming. The question is whether this was terrorism, Whether
203
00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:35.440
political assassination deserves the ultimate punishment, Whether killing someone for
204
00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.840
their speech is fundamentally different from killing them for any
205
00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:42.159
other reason. Tyler Robinson was twenty two years old when
206
00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:45.080
he pulled the trigger. He had no criminal record, no
207
00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.240
history of violence, just a grievance about transgender rights and
208
00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.919
a grandfather's rifle. Now he sits in Utah County jail,
209
00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.519
waiting to find out if the state will execute him.
210
00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.879
We'll be right back with the aftermath. The memorial that
211
00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.399
drew one hundred thousand and people, the widow who publicly
212
00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:06.200
forgave the killer, the Justice Department debating whether to charge
213
00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:10.000
Robinson with an anti Christian hate crime, and the comparison
214
00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:14.080
nobody wants to make. Why did America mourn Charlie Kirk
215
00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:23.879
but celebrate the death of Brian Thompson. Within hours of
216
00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:28.840
Kirk's death, the political machinery activated. President Trump called it
217
00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:34.000
a dark moment for America, blamed the radical left, posted
218
00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:37.360
on truth social calling for prayers, then called for a
219
00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:42.000
crackdown on leftist groups he claimed were responsible. Vice President J. D.
220
00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:46.080
Vance flew to Utah, retrieved Kirk's body, flew it to
221
00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.159
Arizona on Air Force two with Kirk's widow and friends.
222
00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.159
The Vice President and Charlie Kirk had been close. Kirk
223
00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.639
had encouraged Vance to run for Senate. Every living former
224
00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:02.799
president issued statements. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden all condemned the violence.
225
00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.200
International leaders did the same, But underneath the official condolences,
226
00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.720
something uglier was happening. Within hours of Kirk's death, Some
227
00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:16.000
people on social media celebrated, called Kirk a fascist, said
228
00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.480
he got what he deserved, made jokes, created memes. The
229
00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:24.399
backlash was swift and brutal. Within a week, over one
230
00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.879
hundred people, lawyers, doctors, first responders, more than fifty teachers
231
00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:33.919
and professors had been censured, suspended, dismissed, or were under
232
00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.759
investigation for comments about Kirk's death. Jimmy Kimmel's show was
233
00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.480
suspended after pressure from the administration. The comedian had made
234
00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.759
remarks about the conservative reaction to Kirk's death. It became
235
00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.360
a cultural flashpoint. Free speech advocates on both sides were horrified,
236
00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.639
either by the crackdown on criticism of Kirk or by
237
00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.960
the callousness of celebrating his death. Nobody was happy. The
238
00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:02.559
conspiracy theories exploded immediately because Robinson's partner was trans Some
239
00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:07.240
conservatives claimed it was a trans terror cell, claimed Antifa