The One Thing Lindsay Clancy Never Told Her Doctors, an American Idol Alum Charged in Ashley Flynn's Death, Tupac's Autopsy in Open Court

0:03 Caalaroga Shark Media. Good morning. This is daily Crime Injustice from Calaroga Shark Media powered by AI. I'm Garrett Fisher. Today is Thursday, August twentieth, twenty twenty six. Look, I'm going to be honest with you. Four weeks into the Lindsay Clancy trial, this case has come down to one question and everything else is scaffolding around it. Nobody disputes what happened in that Duxbury basement on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. The defense admitted it in the opening statement. Lindsey Clancy strangled her three children with exercise resistance bands, Cora five years old, Dawson three, Callen eight months, Then she cut herself and went out a second story window and survived paralyzed. So the jury isn't being asked what she did. The jury is being asked whether she was in psychosis when she did it. And the defense case for psychosis rests almost entirely on a voice, a male voice.

1:08 She says that told her she had no choice, that she had to kill her children and then kill herself. Here's the problem, and it is the whole ballgame. In the four years of medical records that both sides have now walked this jury through. Lindsey Clancy never told a single treating doctor that she was hearing a voice. Not her psychiatrist, not her nurse practitioner, not the counselor's, not the hospital where she checked herself in weeks before. The defense's own expert confirmed that from the witness stand on Tuesday. The first human being she ever told was a forensic psychologist hired by her defense team in a hospital room where he was the only visitor allowed through the door.

1:50 That's Wednesday's fight, That's Thursday's fight. That may well be the fight the jury takes into the deliberation room. Let's set the table, because a lot of you found this show through this trial, and I don't want anybody lost. Prosecutors rested on Monday, after fourteen days of testimony and more than seventy witnesses. The defense case opened immediately, and Kevin Reddington did not start with experts. He started with family, Lindsay Clancy's mother, Paula Musgrove, her sister, former colleagues from the labor and delivery floor where Clancy worked as a nurse. On Tuesday, he called somebody, I did not expect. Susan Clancy Patrick Clancy's mother, which means she is Lindsay Clancy's former mother in law and she is the grandmother of the three children who died in that basement. She took the stand for the defense. Susan Clancy is a nurse herself worked labor and delivery for thirty eight years.

2:48 She testified that. Lindsay was a nurturing, loving mother to all three children. She testified that in November of twenty twenty, two months after Callen was born, Lindsey reached out to her and said she was well insomnia, no appetite, anxiety, sadness, and Susan Clancy did what a nurse with thirty eight years and a rolodex does. She called her colleagues at South Shore Hospital, where they were running a clinic for women struggling after birth, and she got her daughter in law Adore to knock on her. Words to the jury, she was begging for help. Now, think about what that testimony is. That is the grandmother of three dead children walking into a courtroom voluntarily and testifying for the woman who killed them.

3:33 Whatever you think this case is, hold that for a second. There is no version of this where that was easy. The cross examination is where Tuesday got ugly. Prosecutor Shanan Buckingham pushed on the relationship, asking whether Susan Clancy knew that Lindsay had told a therapist she wasn't close with her in laws. Fair enough, that's what crosses for. Then Buckingham brought up a family trip to church at Christmas, ask Susan Clancy if she was an active member of the Catholic Church. She said yes, and then the prosecutor asked her whether she was aware that murder is considered a mortal sin. Reddington was up before the witness could answer. Sidebar Judge William Sullivan told the jury to disregard the question entirely, and it was struck from the record. I'm gonna say the obvious thing, that question was not evidence.

4:23 That question was a prosecutor asking a grieving grandmother to sort out her dead grandchildren's mother in front of God and fourteen jurors. The judge saw it and killed it. And there is a version of this trial where the Commonwealth's biggest problem is not the evidence, it's moments like that one, because they hand the defense something free. Now to the actual argument, because the defense spent Tuesday afternoon building the frame that Wednesday and Thursday sit inside. Doctor Donald Condy is a clinical and forensic psychiatrist. He never met Lindsay Clancy, never evaluated her. He read the record, that's it, and the defense told the jury that's it, which is more honest than a lot of experts manage.

5:06 Condy's job was to look at what her treating providers wrote down and tell the jury what he thinks it adds up to his answer, postpartum depression progressing into postpartum psychosis, and he was blunt about the care. He called doctor Jennifer Tuffs's clinical notes sparse, with little detail about what actually happened in the sessions. He faulted the providers for never running basic blood work or thyroid testing on a postpartum woman whose mind was coming apart. That's the malpracticed spine of this defense, and you've heard it from me before. In this case, there's a playbook for this. When your client did the thing, you put the system on trial instead. But Kandy also gave the prosecution the best sentence they got all day. Under questioning, he confirmed that Lindsay Clancy never reported hearing voices to her doctors, not once, not to anybody who was actually treating her. So hold that then meet doctor Paul Zeisel. Zeizel is a clinical and forensic psychologist. He is a defense expert. He has been in that courtroom nearly every day of this trial, and in the days after January twenty fourth, when Lindsey Clancy was in the intensive care unit at Brigham and Women's Hospital with a state trooper posted outside her door and nobody and I mean nobody allowed in to see her, Paul Zeizel got a court order and walked in. He testified Tuesday afternoon that he let her use his cell phone to call her husband, and on that call, he says, she told Patrick Clancy that she loved him, and then

6:36 she described a male voice ordering her, telling her she had no choice, that she had to kill her children and then kill herself. Reddington asked him directly whether there was any sign she was faking it. Zizel's answer, she was not faking And here is the collision. Prosecutors have signaled, and Reddington has said publicly that they've signaled it that they intend to argue. Zeizel is the origin of that voice, that he met with Clancy two days before that phone call, and that the idea of a commanding voice entered this case through him and not through her. That is not a small accusation. That is the prosecution telling a jury that the central fact of the insanity defense was manufactured, not remembered. Zeisel was still on the stand when court ended Tuesday. He came back Wednesday morning to finish and to face cross examination. As I record this, that session is underway in Plymouth, and the judge had flagged a possible delayed start. So I'll bring you what actually landed on Friday show, but you already know the shape of it.

7:41 Prosecutors are going to walk him through every day of that hospital, stay every note he took, every question he asked, and try to show the jury a man who arrived with. A theory and left with a quote. The defense is going to say the opposite, that the reason she never told her treating doctors is the the reason a lot of mothers never tell anybody, because you don't say out loud that you're hearing a voice about your children when you believe the state will take your children. One of the defense psychiatrists put exactly that in front of the jury this week. Both of those are arguments, only one of them is going to hold. Reddington is expected to wrap the defense case this week. After that, the Commonwealth gets rebuttal witnesses, and then closings, and then this goes to twelve people who have spent a month looking at photographs. No one should have to look at one more thing, and it belongs in this segment because it's part of what this case has become. A woman in Wisconsin named Brandy Mulligan started posting reaction videos about this trial on TikTok on August sixth. Within about a week, she'd launched a fundraiser for Lindsay Clancy's parents, Paula and Mike Musgrove, who have been paying for their daughter's defense since twenty twenty three. She got Kevin Reddington on the phone, the family agreed to accept it. She set the goal at five hundred thousand dollars. By August seventeenth, she'd raised the goal to two million, and the total was north of eight hundred and forty nine thousand. One anonymous donor gave ten thousand, Two women gave five thousand each. More

9:13 than a dozen people gave a thousand apiece, and I want to be precise here because this gets distorted fast. That money cannot go to legal fees. GoFundMe doesn't allow it. The page says it covers travel, lodging, living expenses, the accumulated cost of two parents who re mortgaged a house and drew down a retirement to sit in a courtroom every single day. The page also says explicitly that donating doesn't mean you've picked a side. I believe the people who wrote that. I also want you to sit with the arithmetic. Close to a million dollars raised by a stranger who has never met. This family moved in under two weeks while a jury is still sitting. There were three children in that somebody has to say their names and it isn't going to be an algorithm. Cora Clancy was five, Dawson Clancy was three, Calan Clancy was eight months old. Nobody has started a fundraiser for them, because you can't. They're gone whatever this jury decides, and I have no idea what this jury is going to decide.

10:19 That part is finished and it does not get appealed when we come back in Las Vegas jurors finally looked at what happened to Tupac Shakur's body, and then they watched a man take the stand and tell the prosecution to their faces that he was not going to help. Thirty years of silence still holding. Welcome back, Day two of testimony in Clark County, Nevada in the trial of Dwayne Davis, who everybody calls Keffi d He is sixty three years old. He is charged with murder with a deadly weapon with the intent to promote or assist a criminal gang. He has pleaded not guilty. He is not accused of pulling the trigger. Prosecutors say he organized it, and on Tuesday, this case stopped being about a legend and became about a body. Chief Deputy District Attorney Binu Palal called doctor Lisa Gavin, a forensic pathologist and medical examiner for Clark County. Gavin was not at the nineteen ninety six autopsy. She couldn't be the examiner who performed it.

11:27 Has since died, which tells you everything about how long this case sat. Before her testimony started, jurors were shown a photograph of a green body bag, and then a photograph of what was inside it. Some of Tupac Shakur's family got up and left the courtroom before the photos went on the screen. Some of the ones who stayed looked away. One woman stood up and walked out once she saw them. The images were not carried on the video feed, and they should not have been. Gavin walked the jury through three bullets. One of them went through his chest and threw a lung. The lung collapsed and bled. Doctors took it out trying to save him. Other rounds tore up his intestines and other parts of his body.

12:10 The photograph showed a body that was swollen, with multiple wounds to the chest and with the chest tube still in it from six days in a hospital bed six days. He was twenty five years old. His cousin, zad Akinyella, stayed in the courtroom for all of it. He told the Associated Press afterward that he hadn't known until that moment how many times his cousin had been shot. He said the detail helps that the family has been waiting thirty years to grieve properly, and that a lot of people can't start grieving until they understand what actually happened to the person they lost thirty years to find out how many bullets think about that. Jurors also saw the MGM grand surveillance video from earlier that night, the camera panning across the casino floor, a group beating and kicking a.

12:53 Man on the ground. That man is Orlando Anderson, Davis's nephew. Then the footage show Shakur and his people moving fast through the casino, some of them jogging to keep up with him. Then security and police arriving talking to Anderson, who was wearing a number thirteen Dan Marino Dolphins jersey. A few hours after that, Shakur was in the passenger seat of a black BMW with Marion Knight driving, and a white Cadillac pulled alongside at a light off the strip. That's the prosecution's whole theory in one sequence, a beating, then a killing four hours apart. Now the part of Tuesday that I can't stop thinking about. After a long run of technical witnesses, the state called James McDonald. McDonald did not want to be there. He testified under a court order, which is the only reason he was in the building.

13:43 McDonald had been affiliated with the mob Peru Bloods like Marion Knight, and he worked security for night at Club six sixty two, which is exactly where Shakur and Knight were headed when the shooting happened. Davis was a member of the rival South Side Compton Cribs, so McDonald is a man who was standing in the middle of all of it. Paula asked him whether he knew why Orlando Anderson got beaten at the MGM that night. McDonald wouldn't say. He told the jury he was aware of a lot of things that people hadn't talked about them in thirty years, and that today wasn't the day either. He said bringing up the dead was wrong. He told the prosecutor to treat him as a hostile witness, which the prosecutor then did.

14:25 He also didn't want to answer the defense's questions and told Michael Samft that some of them weren't in his own client's interest, which is not a thing witnesses normally say out loud, and he spoke directly to the defendant, told Davis that what he's going through is what he's going through and that he hadn't wanted to be part of it. Davis didn't visibly react. Afterward, outside the courtroom, McDonald told reporters what prosecutors. Had wanted from him. They wanted him to say he saw Davis and others pull up to Club six sixty two that night. They wanted him to explain and why Anderson got beaten. And he said this, I'm not gonna send another black man a prison. I want to handle that carefully because it deserves better than a hot take. That sentence comes from somewhere real. It comes from a history that is not imaginary and not exaggerated about who fills American prisons and how they got there. James McDonald is not confused about that history, neither am I. And he was hauled into that courtroom against his will under a court order thirty years after the fact. But here's the other thing that's true.

15:34 The reason this case took thirty years is not that police were baffled. Investigators knew Davis's name for decades. He was on the record, he wrote a book about it. What kept this thing frozen was exactly the arrangement McDonald described from the witness stand. People know, people don't say, nobody talks about the dead, and so the silence that protected everybody for thirty years walked into a courtroom and said, down in the witness chair, still doing its job. The state's other significant witness Tuesday was Reggie Wright Junior, a former Compton Police officer who owned the security company death Row Records used. He laid out how the feud with bad Boy Records had escalated. He said he doubled Shakur's security detail after the hit him Up video came out because he understood what that record was going to provoke.

16:24 On the night of September seventh, nineteen ninety six, Shakur had one guard. Wright testified that he went to University Medical Center after the shooting, that a crowd was already forming there, and that he called his father, who worked the gang division at Compton PD, to warn him that trouble was headed home. He testified that he later received Shakur's ashes after the cremation and made sure they got to the family. Wright has been the subject of rumors about this killing for almost as long as the rumors have existed. Plal asked him directly in open court whether he had anything to do with it. Wright said, absolutely not. That's the value of a trial. Thirty years of internet theories and a prosecutor gets to ask the question with a court reporter typing. This trial is expected to run into September. Tupac Shakur was twenty five. He had four albums out and a film career starting, and he died in a hospital bed six days after somebody decided a beating in a casino lobby had.

17:22 To be answered. Someone has to say his name. Tupac Amaru Shakur still ahead an Ohio murder trial five weeks out where the prosecution and the defense agree completely about the problem and want opposite solutions. And a woman whose name has been buried under a reality show credit since. February welcome back. Let's start where this story should always start and almost never does. Ashley Flynn was thirty seven years old. She lived in Tips City, Ohio, north of Dayton. She graduated from Tippecanoe High School and then from Lee University, and then she came home. She was a substitute teacher for Tip City Schools. She coached seventh grade girls volleyball at Tippecanoe Middle School. She taught for LifeWise Academy. She was the mother of two daughters who are now ten and twelve.

18:21 A neighbor described her to a reporter the day after she died, said she was full of light. In the early hours of February sixteenth, twenty twenty six, Ashley Flynn was shot twice in the head in her own bedroom while her daughters were asleep in the house. At two thirty one in the morning. Her husband called nine one one and told a dispatcher that somebody had broken in and shot his wife. Now here's how every headline about this case has been written since. American Idol contestant Caleb Flynn, forty years old, appeared on the twelfth season of that show. He was billed as a music pastor. He did not make it past the early Hollywood rounds. That is the entirety of his connection to the entertainment industry, and it is the first four words of almost every story written about the death of Ashley Flynn. Nobody was paying attention to her, and she is the one who is dead, So let's do this properly. Caleb Flynn was arrested on February nineteenth. On March eighteenth, a Miami County grand jury returned an eleven count indictment, one count of aggravated murder, three counts of murder, two counts of felonious assault, three counts of tampering with evidence, and two misdemeanor counts of intimidating an attorney, victim or witness. He pleaded not guilty to all of it. His bond went from two million to three and a half million. He has been in the Miami County jail since February. He has presumed innocent, and I mean that as written, not as a formality.

19:48 The states theory is that there was no burglar. Investigators reported finding a garage side door that was opened, but had a large refrigerator sitting in front of it, which would have had to be moved for anyone to come through. Prosecutors alleged in court filings that Flynn used a nine millimeter handgun and altered the scene, and their own filing said the changes led officers astray. That aggravated murder count came later, with prosecutors arguing the killing was done purposely with prior calculation and design. Trial is set for September seventeenth, in front of Judge Genine Pratt in Troy, Ohio, expected to run two weeks. The couple's two daughters are on the witness list, and an earlier ruling means they will testify in the same room as their father facing him.

20:34 Prosecutors had asked to invoke child witness protections to prevent that they lost ten and twelve years old testifying about the night their mother died looking at their dad. Now to this week's filings because they are genuinely interesting. On Monday, both sides filed motions about the same problem pre trial publicity. Both sides agree there's been too much of it they want opposite remedies. The defense wants the trial moved out of Miami County entirely. Their argument is that this is a county of about one hundred and thirteen thousand people across five main cities, that residents have been saturated for six months by news coverage and social media, commentary and broadcast segments from the courtroom itself, and that both the defendants and the victims standing in that community make it worse.

21:23 The motion names Court TV alongside television stations in Dayton, Cincinnati, and Youngstown, and says a lot of the coverage has been inflammatory and prejudicial. The motion does. Not propose anywhere to move it to which is a tell change of venue. Motions that name a preferred county are trying to win. Change of venue motions that don't are frequently building a record for appeal. Prosecutors didn't respond to that motion at all. They filed their own the same day, asking Judge Pratt to sequester the jury for the duration of the trial. Their argument runs on the identical facts, substantial publicity across Ohio and the country, comment sections, social media posts, and a specific concern. I'll give them credit for most of the images circulating show Caleb Flynn in a jumpsuit, in a belly band, in handcuffs and shackles.

22:16 In the courtroom, he will be in street clothes because that is the law. A juror who goes home at night and sees the jail photo has seen something the court has worked to keep out. So one side says the pool has already poisoned move the trial. The other side says the pool is fine, just seal it off from the water supply. No hearing has been scheduled on either one yet. Trial date holds at September seventeenth. For now, and look, I'll say the quiet part this show is part of the coverage the defense motion is complaining about. I'm aware of that. The answer isn't for courts to run in secret, and it isn't for a man to be tried by a jury pool that's already decided. The answer is a judge doing exactly what Pratt is about to do, which is sit down with two motions built on the same facts, and make a call about what actually protects the trial.

23:06 That's the system working. Honestly. It's slow, and it's unglamorous, and it's a lot less interesting than an American Idol credit, which brings me back to where we started. Ashley Flynn coached seventh grade volleyball. She subbed in classrooms in the district she grew up in. Her family said their hearts were shattered, and they also said publicly that they trusted The arrest was made carefully and not without serious consideration, which is a remarkable thing to say about the man who was married to your daughter. Someone has to say her name, Ashley Flynn. Accountability doesn't have a legal department. It has a courtroom and a date and twelve people. September seventeenth, that's the show for Thursday.

23:50 If this one told you something you didn't know. Share it with one person today, Text it, send the link, say the name of the show out loud to somebody. That's how this thing grows. And it's the only advertising we've got. And if you're listening on Spotify, drop a comment. Tell me what you think the Clancy jury does with that voice question, because I have been going back and forth on it all week and I'd like to hear from you. YouTube comments work too, I read them. We'll be back tomorrow with what came out of Wednesday and Thursday in Plymouth, including the cross examination of doctor Zezel and Weather, the defense rests Cora Dawson and Callan Clancy, Tupac Shakur, Ashley Flynn do better now the disclaimer, and there's a real.

24:35 Amount of it today. Everything here comes from court proceedings, court filings, and reporting by outlets covering these cases directly, including Court, TV, The Associated Press, Boston twenty five News, The Boston Globe, CBS, Boston, CNN, wbur and Dayton area newspapers. Testimony described here is what a witness said under oath. It is not finding a fact. Juries decide what testimony is worth. Reporters don't and neither do I. On the Clancy case, Lindsey Clancy has pleaded not guilty and her defense is lack of criminal responsibility. She is admitted through council that she killed her children.

25:16 The dispute is her mental state. Outlets have reported her age inconsistently across this trial, listing her as thirty five and as thirty six, and Court TV has at times listed Callan Clancy as seven months old, while the court record and most reporting say eight months. We use thirty six and eight months. Doctor Paul Zeisel's testimony was still in progress when this episode was recorded, so anything from Wednesday afternoon onward comes in tomorrow's episode. The suggestion that Zeizel introduced the idea of a commanding voice is a prosecution argument signaled in court and described publicly by defense counsel. It has not been established, and Zeizel testified she was not fabricating symptoms. The go fundme figures are as reported on August seventeen, and have likely moved. We are not linking to that fundraiser, endorsing it, or discouraging it. We are reporting that it exists and how large it has become.

26:09 On the Las Vegas case, Dwayne Davis has pleaded not guilty and is presumed innocent. He is not charged with firing the shots. Statements attributed to him from his memoir and past interviews are contested, and his own defense has argued in court that he exaggerated for money and attention. We have not repeated uncharged allegations made in that book about living people. Court TV's trial page currently dates the shooting to February of nineteen ninety six. The shooting was September seventh, nineteen ninety six, and Tupac Shakur died September thirteenth. Some outlets have also reported that the trial began August tenth. Jury selection began August tenth. Opening statements were August seventeen.

26:53 Reggie Wright Junior has never been charged in connection with this killing. And denied involvement under oath. On the Ohio case, Caleb Flynn has pleaded not guilty to all eleven counts and is presumed innocent. No trial evidence has been heard. Everything described about the scene comes from charging documents and prosecution filings, which are allegations. Some early coverage of this case, including one court TV headline that is still live, in its web address incorrectly reported that Ashley Flynn was pregnant. Court TV has since corrected that she was not. Reports of Caleb Flynn's age vary between thirty nine and forty, depending on the date of publication. There is also unsourced online material circulating about an alleged affair. It has not appeared in any file document. We have not repeated it and you should treat it as unverified. This episode deals with the deaths of children with postpart of mental illness and with suicide.

27:52 If you are struggling. After a birth, the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline is free, confidential and available around the clock at one eight three three TLC Mama. If you are having thoughts of suicide, call or text nine to eight eight in the United States for the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. If you are in crisis right now, please reach out to a person, not a podcast.