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Caalarogus Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Reed Carter, Sunday, October
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twenty sixth, twenty twenty five. Yesterday we covered Jeffrey Dahmer's
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thirteen year killing spree, seventeen victims, a criminal justice system
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that failed at every level, Tracy Edwards escape that finally
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ended the murders. Today what happened after the arrest July
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twenty second, nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey Dahmer was taken into
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custody at Milwaukee Police Headquarters. Began confessing immediately, matter of fact,
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no emotion, describing murders like he was discussing construction projects.
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I killed thirty or thirty three, I don't remember exactly.
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Over the next two weeks, detectives Patrick Kennedy and Dennis
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Murphy interviewed Dahmer for more than sixty hours compiled a
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one hundred and seventy eight page confession. Dahmer waived his
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right to an attorney, said he wanted to confess everything.
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I created this horror, and it only makes sense I
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do everything to put an end to it. He described
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his methods in detail, the drugs he used, how he
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strangled victims, the dismemberment process, the cannibalism, which body parts
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he kept, and why where he disposed of remains, all
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described clinically without remorse. Investigators confirmed seventeen victims, Stephen Hicks
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in Ohio nineteen seventy eight, sixteen more in Wisconsin between
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nineteen eighty seven and nineteen ninety one. Dahmer couldn't remember
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exact numbers, said there might have been more. The victims
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blurred together in his memory. January thirteenth, nineteen ninety two,
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Dahmer appeared in Milwaukee County Circuit Court before Judge Lawrence Graham,
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charged with fifteen counts of first degree murder. Wisconsin couldn't
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charge him with Stephen Twomey's death no physical evidence. Dahmer
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claimed he didn't remember committing it. Dahmer changed his plea
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from not guilty to guilty but insane. That plea changed everything.
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No criminal trial to determine guilt. Guilt was admitted. The
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only question was Jeffrey Dahmer legally sane when he committed
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these murders. January thirtieth, nineteen ninety two, the trial began
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not about whether Dahmer killed seventeen people, about whether he
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understood his actions were wrong, about whether he could control
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his impulses. About whether necrophilia, cannibalism, and creating zombies by
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drilling holes in skulls was insanity or evil. The jury
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would decide. Ten out of twelve jurors needed to agree.
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If they found him insane, Dahmer would go to a
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mental institution for treatment. If sane, prison for life. Wisconsin
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had no death penalty. February fifteenth, nineteen ninety two, after
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ten hours of deliberation, the jury returned with a verdict
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Jeffrey Dahmer was sane legally responsible for his actions, guilty
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of fifteen counts of murder. Judge Graham's scheduled sentencing for
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February seventeenth, fifteen consecutive life terms nine hundred and fifty
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seven years. Jeffrey Dahmer would die in prison, but he
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wouldn't serve even three years. November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four,
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Dahmer was working a cleaning detail in the Columbia Correctional
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Institution Gymnasium. Left alone with two other inmates, Christopher Scarver
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and Jesse Anderson, twenty minutes unsupervised, Scarver picked up a
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twenty inch metal bar from the weight room, cornered Dahmer
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in the staff locker room, crushed his skull, beat him
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until his head was unrecognizable, then killed Anderson two. When
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a guard asked Scarver why he was back in his
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cell early, he said, God told me to do it.
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You will hear about it on the six o'clock news.
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Jesse Anderson and Jeffrey Dahmer are dead. Jeffrey Dahmer died
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at the hospital an hour later. He was thirty four
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years old. I'm reed, Carter. This is celebrity trials today.
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The trial of Jeffrey Dahmer, The insanity defense that failed,
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Prison Christopher Scarver, and the Legacy of the Milwaukee Cannibal,
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Part two of two, January thirtieth, nineteen ninety two. Milwaukee
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County Circuit Court Judge Lawrence Graham, Presiding District Attorney Michael
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McCann and Assistant District Attorney E. Michael McCann. Prosecuting defense
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attorneys Gerald Boyle and Wendy patrickis representing Dahmer. The courtroom
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was packed families of victims, media from around the world,
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true crime observers. Everyone wanted to see the man who
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had shocked America with the most grotesque killing spree in
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modern history. And there sat Jeffrey Dahmer, thirty one years old, glasses,
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short brown hair, wearing a tan suit, expressionless, calm. He
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looked like an accountant, a librarian, a neighbor you'd wave
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to while mowing your lawn, not a serial killer who
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murdered seventeen people and ate their flesh. The trial lasted
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two weeks, battle of the psychiatrists, defense experts versus prosecution experts,
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all trying to answer one question. Was Jeffrey Dahmer insane?
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Wisconsin law defined insanity narrowly. Did Dahmer lack substantial capacity
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to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct? Could he conform
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his behavior to the requirements of law? Not whether he
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was mentally ill? Everyone agreed he was mentally ill. But
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was he so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong?
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The defense argued, yes, Dahmer suffered from necrophilia, sexual attraction
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to corpses. This wasn't a choice, This was a compulsion
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he couldn't control, a paraphilia so overwhelming it drove him
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to murder. Defense psychiatrist doctor Fred Berlin testified that Dahmer
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was unable to conform his conduct at the time he
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committed the crimes, that his necrophilia was a mental disease
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that overpowered his ability to make rational decisions. That he
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preferred unconscious or dead sexual partners because he wanted complete control,
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complete submission. Doctor Judith Becker, professor of psychiatry and psychology,
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diagnosed Dahmer as a necrophiliac. Testified that he told her
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he preferred comatose partners to dead ones seventy five percent
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of the time, that he killed because death was the
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ultimate form of control and possession. Doctor Carl Walstrom, forensic psychiatrist,
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diagnosed Dahmer with necrophilia, borderline personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder,
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alcohol dependence, and a psychotic disorder. Said all these conditions
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combined to make Dahmer unable to resist his impulses. Defense
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attorney Gerald Boyle described his client as a steamrolling killing
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machine and a runaway train on a track of madness.
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Said Dahmer got sicker as his killing spree. Continued that
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by July nineteen ninety one, he was completely out of control,
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killing every few days, couldn't stop, but the prosecution had
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a different story. They presented evidence of Dahmer's planning, his
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deliberate victim selection, his methods of avoiding detection, his clean
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up procedures, his explanations to neighbors about the smell, his
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lies to police, all evidence of a calculating mind, not insanity.
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Doctor Frederic Faustall, prosecution witness, testified that Dahmer had told
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him I had choices to make. I made the wrong choices.
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That's not insanity. That's a man who knew exactly what
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he was doing and chose to do it anyway. Doctor
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park Elliott Deet, prosecution expert, said Dahmer's killings were well
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planned and deliberate. Pointed out that Dahmer used condoms because
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he feared contracting aids someone afraid of disease as someone
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making rational decisions about consequences. Someone insane doesn't care about
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getting sick. Doctor George Palermo, court appointed psychiatrist, diagnosed Dahmer
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with antisocial personality disorder, but didn't find he met the
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legal definition of insanity. Said Dahmer was in control of
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his behavior, knew right from wrong, chose to kill anyway.
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The prosecution argued that Dahmer carefully selected vulnerable victims. Men
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without cars because missing persons could be traced through vehicles, runaways, minorities,
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men from poor neighborhoods, people who wouldn't be immediately missed.
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That's not insanity, that's strategy. Dahmer lured victims with specific stories,
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job offers, money for photographs, al alcohol, promises of companionship.
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Tailored his approach to what each victim wanted. That's manipulation,
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that's planning. He drugged them systematically, knew exactly how many
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sleeping pills to use, started with three, increased to seven,
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experimented to find the right dosage. That scientific method. That's calculation.
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He cleaned up after murders, dismembered bodies in his bathtub
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to avoid mess, wrapped body parts, carefully disposed of remains,
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methodically kept his apartment organized despite having body parts stored throughout.
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That's not someone out of control. That's someone managing evidence.
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When police questioned him about missing persons, he had explanations ready.
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They ran away, they moved on, they were unreliable. He
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was calm, cooperative, plausible. That's not insanity, that's deception. Prosecution
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argued that Dahmer's real motive wasn't necrophilia, it was control possession.
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He wanted people who would never leave him. He killed
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to create permanent companions. That selfishness taken to its most
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extreme conclusion, not mental illness, pure evil. And here's the
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key evidence that destroyed the insanity defense. Dahmer functioned normally
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between murders, went to work, paid his bills, interacted with neighbors,
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performed as Pogo, the clown at children's hospitals, Wait wrong,
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serial killer. But the point stands, Dahmer maintained a normal facade.
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If he was so insane he couldn't control his actions,
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how was he functional the rest of the time. The
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prosecution displayed photographs of all fifteen victims during closing arguments.
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Put their faces in front of the jury, made them real,
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made them human. These weren't abstract concepts. These were sons, brothers, fathers,
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people with families who loved them. Michael McCann's closing argument,
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Jeffrey Dahmer was a sane man, in full control of
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his actions, who simply strove to avoid detection. He killed
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to control his victims and retained their bodies merely to
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afford himself a prolonged period of sexual pleasure. By pleading
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guilty but insane, he seeking to escape responsibility for his crimes.
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Gerald Boyle's closing argument, he was so impaired as he
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went along this killing spree that he could not stop.
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He was a runaway train on a track of madness.
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February fifteenth, nineteen ninety two, the jury deliberated ten hours
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longer than expected. Families waited, media waited. Everyone wondered which
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way they'd go. The verdict came back. Ten out of
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twelve jurors found that Jeffrey Dahmer did not suffer from
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a mental disease or defect that prevented him from appreciating
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the wrongfulness of his conduct. Two jurors dissented, but ten
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was enough. Guilty but sane on all fifteen counts of murder.
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The courtroom was silent. Then the families began crying, some
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from relief, others from grief. The verdict brought back everything
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they'd lost. Shirley Hughes, mother of victim Anthony Hughes, said,
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I had my faith in God, and I believed, and
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I know this man was not insane. Juror Carl Stahl
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later told reporters he was a con artist. His whole
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conduct showed that he was a con artist. He had
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planned well, and he is above average intelligence. He had plans,
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and he had just one thing on his mind, to
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satisfy his ego and to satisfy himself, and he didn't
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even think of anybody else. February seventeenth, nineteen ninety two,
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sentencing day, Dahmer asked to address the court, first time
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most people heard him speak. His voice was soft, flat, emotionless.
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He said, I wanted to find out just what it
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was that caused me to be so bad and evil.
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I know my time in prison will be terrible, but
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I deserve it. I created this horror, and it only
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makes sense I do everything to put an end to it.
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Judge Graham sentenced him to fifteen consecutive life terms, nine
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hundred and fifty seven years in prison, no possibility of parole.
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Dahmer would die in prison May one, nineteen ninety two.
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Three months later, Dahmer was extradited to Ohio to face
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charges for Stephen Hicks's murder. The hearing lasted forty five minutes.
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Dahmer pleaded guilty, received a sixteenth consecutive life term, sixteen
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life sentences for seventeen confirmed murders. The numbers don't even
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add up to the horror. Make it make sense. We'll
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be right back with Jeffrey Dahmer in prison, his interviews,
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his zero Remorse, and November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four,
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the day Christopher Scarver crushed his skull with a metal bar.
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February nineteen ninety two, Jeffrey Dahmer arrived at Columbia Correctional
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Institution in Portage, Wisconsin, maximum security prison, home for the
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rest of his life. For the first year, Dahmer was
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held in solitary confinement, his choice. Prison officials were concerned
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for his safety. Child killers rank at the bottom of
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the prison hierarchy, below rapists, below cops, below snitches, and
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Dahmer wasn't just a child killer. He was the child
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killing cannibal. In solitary, Dahmer had minimal contact with other inmates,
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received mail, bought cigarettes and magazines with money sent by supporters. Yes,
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he had supporters. People who wrote to him, sent him money,
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defended him Welcome to America. He gave interviews, told reporters
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he'd become a born again Christian, was baptized in May
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nineteen ninety four, said he was remorseful, said he wanted
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to be studied so science could understand what created him.
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Said he deserved to die. But in private, according to inmates,
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Dahmer showed no remorse. He made jokes, taunted other prisoners,
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fashioned food into severed limbs, drizzled ketch up on them
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to look like blood, left them where inmates would find them,
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dark sense of humor, testing boundaries, seeing how far he
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could push before someone snapped. July nineteen ninety one, while
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Dahmer was still in jail awaiting trial, inmate Osvaldo de
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Ruthi tried to slash his throat with a razor in
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front of guards. Didn't succeed. Dahmer wasn't seriously hurt, but
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it was a warning, a preview of what was coming.
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After a year in solitary, Dahmer requested transfer to general population.
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Said he was ready, didn't care what happened to him,
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told family members he was prepared to repent and meet
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his maker. Prison officials approved the trend. NSFER assigned him
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a two hour daily work detail cleaning the toilet block.
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Easy job, low interaction with other inmates. Should be safe,
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but nothing is safe when you're a child killing cannibal
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in prison. Enter Christopher Scarver, thirty five years old in
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nineteen ninety four from Milwaukee, same city where Dahmer killed,
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serving life without parole for murdering his boss during a
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robbery in nineteen ninety shot Stephen Lohman three times. After
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receiving only fifteen dollars, said he heard voices calling him
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the chosen one. Scarver arrived at Columbia Correctional Institution around
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the same time as Dahmer. Knew exactly who Dahmer was,
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kept a newspaper clipping about Dahmer's crimes in his pocket,
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read it constantly. Felt fiercely disgusted by what Dahmer had done.
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Scarver watched Dahmer from a distance, like a wolf watching prey.
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Never approached him. Didn't want to be part of his
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sick games. But he saw the food limb with ketchup routine,
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saw Dahmer taunting other inmates, saw him showing no remorse.
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Some people who are in prison are repentant, Scarver later said,
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but he was not one of them. November twenty eighth,
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nineteen ninety four, Monday morning, eight am Three inmates were
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assigned to clean the prison gymnasium, Jeffrey Dahmer, Jesse Anderson,
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serving life for murdering his wife in nineteen ninety two,
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and Christopher Scarver. Correction officers led the three men to