THE KILLER’S MOTHER TAKES THE STAND: ATHENA STRAND DEFENSE BEGINS, D4VD AUTOPSY REVEALED

0:03 Kalaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Garrett Fischer. This is Daily Crime Injustice, Friday, April twenty fourth, twenty twenty six. I want to start with a sentence I've been turning over in my head since yesterday afternoon, when Tanner Horner's mother sat on a witness stand in a Fort Worth courtroom and spoke for hours about her life. Look, I'm going to be honest with you. I watched a lot of that testimony, and there is nothing in it that I would wish on any child in this world. What that woman described, the sexual abuse she endured beginning at the age of four, the decades of addiction that followed, the strip clubs, and the rehab, and the bipolar and the schizo effective disorder. That is a lifetime of suffering.

0:53 She was dealt a hand that maybe two percent of human beings in this country ever have to hold. And the defense put her on the stand in Fort Worth for a reason. They put her there because they want twelve Texans to look at the man who strangled seven year old Athena Strand in the back of a FedEx van while singing jingle bell rock. And they want those twelve Texans to see that man as the sum of his mother's pain. That is the argument. That is the playbook, and we're going to walk through it today because that is what happens in a capital sentencing phase. The defense builds a biography designed to stop a jury from reaching for the needle. And here's the thing about that biography.

1:34 Most of it, probably almost all of it, is true. His mother did drink while she was pregnant. He was exposed to lead as a child, he was bullied, he was diagnosed with Asperger's and ADHD. He grew up with a mother who cycled through rehab centers while her kids bounce between her and her mother. All of that can be true, and a seven year old girl named Athena Strand can still be dead because Tanner Horner, thirty five years old, a grown man, a FedEx driver, decided to put his hands around her neck and squeeze. Both of those things can sit in the same courtroom. They have to. That is what the jury is being asked to weigh.

2:16 We have three more stories after that. The Los Angeles County Medical Examiner released the cause of death for a Celeste Revas Hernandez yesterday. We now know how she died, and it is worse than the public has been told for seven months. Down in Okalla, Florida, a judge set a November trial date for a man accused of murdering a British woman who flew across the Atlantic to meet him. And prosecutors are offering exactly one thing, life in prison, take it or leave it. And a Salvadoran housekeeper filed suit in Los Angeles against Kylie Jenner, her companies, and the staff who allegedly told her that. And I am quoting from the complaint here. Catholics are horrible people. Let's get into it. We have been with this trial since it began. You know this case. You know what Tanner Horner did to Athena Strand. On the evening of November thirtieth, twenty twenty two, he pleaded guilty to capital murder and aggravated kidnapping, the morning his trial was supposed to start on April seventh, and since then, the only question in front of the jury has been whether he lives in prison for the rest of his life or whether the State of Texas executes him. That's it. That's the only question.

3:31 Since we last updated, you the trial has moved through three crucial days, Days seven, eight, and nine, and the shape of it has changed. The prosecution has now rested, the defense has now begun its mitigation case, and I want to walk you through what happened in between, because these three days are the emotional center of this proceeding. Day seven, the DNA and A mother Day seven was Wednesday, April fifteenth. That day, the jury heard from multiple DNA experts from the Texas Department of Public Safety crime Lab. Forensic scientists Erica Renaga, Amber Moss, Elizabeth Seastrunk, Ruby Kelly, and Kristin Casota all testified in sequence about what was found and what was not found on Athena Strand's body.

4:19 And I want to be honest about what they said because this is the evidence question in the case, and the defense is going to fight it hard. The initial DNA testing, what's called autosomal str testing, was inconclusive. The lab tried to pull a DNA profile from a vaginal swab taken during autopsy. They got a mixture, and because the victims DNA overpowered whatever male DNA was present, the result weekly excluded Horner as a contributor. That's what the lab put in the report weekly excluded. But here's what happened next. The lab ran a second round of testing, a more sensitive technique called y S TI he are testing, which specifically targets male DNA. They ran that test on vaginal, anal, and oral swabs from Athena's body, and in that testing Tanner Horner could not be excluded as a contributor. His DNA profile was and I'm reading from the labs language consistent with the male DNA recovered from Athena's body, though the expert stopped short of calling it a definitive match.

5:27 So two things are true. The chief medical examiner, doctor Jessica Dwyer, who performed Athena's autopsy and testified earlier in the trial, found no visible signs of sexual trauma to Athena's body, and the YSTR DNA testing placed male genetic material consistent with Tanner Horner's profile on vaginal and anal swabs from a seven year old girl. You can hold both of those findings and ask yourself what happened in the back of that van. I'm not going to pretend to know. I'm going to tell you that Horner has denied from the jail letters to the day he pleaded guilty that he sexually assaulted her. And I'm going to tell you that the y s TR results are not nothing.

6:13 A jury is allowed to consider that. A jury is going to consider that. And then on that same day, Maitland Gandy took the stand. Maitland Gandy is Athena's mother. Court TV reported her testimony. She described her daughter Athena was playful, she was happy, she was deeply loved. They showed photos of her in court, the kind of photos any parent has of a seven year old, the candid ones, the ones where the kid is laughing with her mouth open, the ones where you can see every tooth. And Maitland Gandy on the stand said she felt like she was dying the day she learned her daughter was missing. That's how she put it, I felt like I was dying.

6:55 The reporting also noted that during her testimony, Tanner Horner fought back tears. Whatever that means. I don't weigh the tears of a man who strangled a seven year old. Neither does the jury, but I'll mention it. Day eight the father the audio the prosecution rests Day eight was Thursday, April sixteenth, two pieces of testimony. The first was Jacob Strand, Athena's father, and Jacob Strand's testimony is what you would expect from the father of a murdered seven year old, except that it is also worse than that. Jacob Strand testified about the barbie dolls Tanner Horner delivered to the house in the FedEx package the day of the murder.

7:37 Those barbies were Athena's Christmas present. Jacob Strand bought those for his daughter for Christmas, and then he spent time with his kids before leaving on a hunting trip with his own father. And while he was gone, a stranger knocked on the door with those barbies and killed his little girl. Jacob Strand said in court that he feels guilty, that he feels like he wasn't there to protect her. That's what he told the jury. Now I'm gonna say something about that in a second. The second piece of testimony on day eight was Texas ranger Job Espinoza recalled to the stand, and Espinoza's testimony is where things got very dark in that courtroom. Espinosa walked the jury through dashcom video from November thirtieth, twenty twenty two, the day of the murder. The video showed Tanner Horner in the FedEx van using sticky notes to cover up the cameras inside the vehicle. The morning of the murder, at four h nine PM, he covered the front facing camera. Then at five point thirty pm he arrived at the Strand residence.

8:42 Ranger Espinoza testified that after the murder, some of Athena's clothes were taken off her body and placed in a bag. Her underwear and her pants were put into Horner's backpack. Those items were later found at his home, and then the ranger played the audio. The FedEx van had audio recording, so there is a recording of what happened in the back of that van in the minutes after Horner struck Athena with the truck. The jury heard it. The prosecution played it. On that recording, Tanner Horner can be heard singing jingle bell rock while a seven year old girl screamed. I'm not going to describe that recording any further. I'm not going to editorialize. There is a podcast industry that would spend forty five minutes reconstructing what was on that audio.

9:28 That's not what this show does. I'll tell you the jury heard it. I'll tell you it was played in open court. I'll tell you that after the audio, after the dash cam, after the pants and the underwear, and the cleaning up of the van at the Love's truck stop, and the hours that followed. The prosecution rested its case day nine, the defendant's mother. Day nine was yesterday, Wednesday, April twenty second. The defense opened its mitigation case and the first witness they called was Tanner Horner's mother. Short livestream kept her face blurred. She is referred to in court records only as Missus Horner. Her testimony went on for hours, and I've read the coverage from NBCDFW and from Court TV and from the Daily Mail. Let me walk you through what she said. Missus Horner was born to a teenage mother. Her parents divorced when she was one year old. She was sexually abused by her stepfather beginning at the age of four. She told the jury, and I'm paraphrasing the language here, that she does not remember having dreams as a child, that she did not have a childhood. Those were her words. She went to rehab for the first time. At fourteen, she dropped out of high school. She got a job at a strip club in Fort Worth as a teenager. That is where she met the man who would become her husband and Tanner Horner's father. She told the jury he raped her the night they met. She told the jury she married him at nineteen. Anyway, it was not for love, that is how she put it. She used heroin for twenty

10:59 five years. She is currently on methadone. She has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizo effective disorder. She drank while pregnant with Tanner. She said she drank heavily enough to develop cirrhosis, and she did not find out she was pregnant until she was roughly eight and a half weeks along. Even after she knew, she continued to smoke cigarettes in marijuana. She told the jury she relapsed on drugs when Tanner was two years old. She described nodding out on the toilet and Tanner as a toddler walking in and believing his mother was dead. The defense's argument, and they are being direct about this, is that Tanner Horner arrived in this world carrying damage. He did not choose prenatal alcohol exposure, led exposure as a child Asperger's a DHD, a mother in and out of rehab and in and out of prostitution, arrests, a childhood where he and his younger brother moved between their mother and their grandmother, where Tanner was bullied so severely that he would hit himself in the head. The defense wants the jury to weigh all of that when they decide whether he should be executed. That's the case they're making. And I want to say two things about it. The first is, as I said at the top of this show, I believe almost all of it is true. That is a real and terrible childhood, and the damage of prenatal alcohol exposure and early let exposure is not made up. It is documented studied science. Brains grow wrong under those conditions. That

12:31 is real. The second thing I want to say is this Missus Horner, when the defense asked her on direct examination whether she was angry with her son given what he pleaded guilty to, said, and this is a direct quote from the reporting. I want to just tear his ass up. She was just a baby, that's her, that's his mother. And she said on the stand that she no longer believes her son's claim that he didn't rape be Athena strand she no longer believes him. So the defense put on a mitigation witness who, under questioning, set out loud in front of the jury that she doesn't believe her own son's account of what happened in the back of that FedEx van. That is a remarkable moment.

13:11 I don't know what twelve Texans do with that. I don't know what they are supposed to do with that. Also on day nine, the defense called doctor John Edens, a psychologist and professor who does exactly this kind of capital mitigation work. His testimony is still in progress. I expect we will get more from him on Monday, along with more defense witnesses, and then a rebuttal case from the prosecution, and then closing arguments, and then a jury that has to go into a room and answer two questions. Is Tanner Horner a continuing threat to society? And is there sufficient mitigating evidence the brain damage, the mother, the childhood, all of it to warrant a sentence less than death.

13:53 Both answers have to be unanimous for the needle. Any disagreement had any step and it becomes life without parole. We will be here when the closings come. Athena's name is still Athena Strand. She was seven. She loved to draw in color. She was sorting laundry in a converted storage shed that was her bedroom when she answered the door to a bedex driver who had been watching her house, say her name. We have been on the David case. That's D four VD pronounced David since last fall, when Celeste Revas Hernandez was found in a tesla at a Hollywood tow yard. We covered the arrest of David Anthony Burke.

14:39 On Monday, we covered the formal filing of first degree murder charges with three special circumstances. On Wednesday, today, the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner filed the last piece of this picture we have been waiting seven months to see. Wednesday afternoon, the emme's office released Celeste's cause of death. They had been holding it under seal while the investigation proceeded. Chief Medical Examiner doctor Odi Ukpo said in a written statement that he was grateful this information could finally be released to the public and to the grieving family. Here's what the report says. Celestrevas Hernandez, aged fourteen, died of multiple penetrating injuries caused by object or objects manner of death homicide. What that means in plain English is that she was stabbed. The autopsy report was obtained by Rolling Stone and by E News and by NBC Los Angeles.

15:32 It describes two stab wounds, one on the right side of her upper abdomen that perforated her liver and went about one and a half inches deep, a second on her left lower chest that when at least two inches deep. She was wearing a tube top underwear, black leggings, and black socks when she was found. The tube top had quote multiple holes in the front and the back. Now you will notice that does not match the description the district attorney gave at Monday's press conference when Hochman said Celeste was killed with quote a sharp instrument. That language was chosen carefully. Theme says object or objects, which has broader the DA says sharp instrument, which is more specific either way. The prosecution theory is that she walked into David's house on April twenty third, twenty twenty five, which I remind you is the same day tickets went on pre sale for his world tour, and she was stabbed to death in that house, and then her body was kept somewhere for roughly twelve days, and then on or around May fifth, according to prosecutors, she was dismembered. The autopsy describes the state of her body when it was recovered in September. I am going to report this because the facts of this case matter, and because we do not sanitize this show. Celeste's arms and legs had been quote dismembered into several fragments. Her body had undergone liquefaction from decomposition. She could not be fingerprinted because of waterlogged fis.

17:00 The report notes that her left ring finger and pinky finger appear to have been mutilated. Those fingers were not found. They were not recovered from the tesla. They have not been recovered anywhere. The one small mercy in the report, and it is a very small one, the distinctive tattoo that identified her body, the one on her right index finger that read SSH. The same tattoo on the same finger that David Burke also has that survived. That is how they knew it was her. There is one more finding. I want to mention the toxicology screening returned presumptive positives for benzodiazepines that's a class of prescription anxiety medication, and for methamphetamine and MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy. I want to be careful with that finding because presumptive means preliminary, not confirmed. The full toxicology will be folded into the prosecution's case. But it suggests she was drugged before she was killed. It is consistent with the lying in wait special circumstance the DA filed on Monday. It is consistent with premeditation. David Anthony Burke, who is twenty one years old, is being held without bail. He has pleaded not guilty through his attorney, Blair Burke. Burke has said the evidence will show her client is innocent. That is what good defense lawyers say. And Blair Burke is a very good defense lawyer. And David Burke has the money to afford. One.

18:29 Celeste Revas Hernandez was fourteen when she died. The day her body was discovered, September eighth, twenty twenty five, would have been her fifteenth birthday. Say her name. I'm going to introduce you to a case we have not talked about on this show before, and I have to warn you before we get into it. This segment is going to discuss suicide, self harm, and the sexual exploitation of a mentally ill woman. If that's not something you can sit with right now, skip ahead about eleven minutes, no hard feelings. If you are someone you know needs help, the nine eight to eight Suicide in Crisis Lifeline is available in the United States. That's just nine eight eight from any phone. Mental health resources will be at the end of this episode. Okay, here's the case. On Wednesday afternoon, in a Marion County, Florida courtroom, a judge set a trial date of November sixteenth, twenty twenty six for a fifty four year old man named Dwayne Hall. Hall is charged with first degree premeditated murder and kidnapping. The state is not offering anything less than life in prison. Those are the only terms, life or a trial. The victim in this case is a woman named Sonia Exelby. She was thirty two years old. She was from Portsmouth, England.

19:51 She had a long term partner named Stevie and a cat named Merrill, and a life in the United Kingdom. She also had serious mental illness that had been getting war worse. She had attempted to take her own life before her family and her partner knew she was struggling. In October of twenty twenty four, according to the affidavit in this case, Sonia began communicating with a man on a fetish website. That man was Dwayne Hall. He was fifty three at the time. He lived in O'calla, Florida. On that website, according to prosecutors, Hall used the profile name Alpha Sadist. They communicated for approximately two years. At some point those conversations moved off the website and onto Discord, a private messaging platform. On Discord, according to the arrest affidavit, Sonia told Hall that she wanted to die. She wanted someone to kill her, and over the course of months, Hall, according to Florida investigators, positioned himself as the person who would do it. On October tenth, twenty twenty five, Sonya Exelby boarded a plane from the United Kingdom. She flew to Gainesville, Florida. Dwayne Hall picked up up at the airport.

21:01 He took her to an Airbnb cabin in a rural area called Reddick, northwest of Okalla. She was supposed to fly home on October thirteenth. She did not get on that plane. Her partner called UK authorities. UK authorities called Interpol. Interpol called the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and investigators tracing charges on Sonya's debit card to a business in Florida located Dwayne Hall. Four days after her return flight, Sonia's body was found in a shallow grave in the woods in Marion Oaks. She had been stabbed four times. The wounds were four to seven inches deep. A knife, believed to be the murder weapon, was later recovered. Hall had mailed it to a friend in Ohio. Her blood was on the knife. A shovel was recovered with DNA from both Hall and Sonya, and there is on Hall's phone a deleted video. That video was recovered by forensic investigators.

21:57 Reporters who have reviewed the affidavit dish describe what is on it. Sonya bruised. Sonya visibly upset Sonia in that video, answering what the investigators describe as disclaimer questions. Questions. Hall was asking her on camera to create a record of her consent. She is described in the affidavit as hesitant, tearful, looking down, not looking at the camera, swallowing hard, exhaling. In another exchange, Hall allegedly told investigators that if he were compelled to help Sonya take her own life, he would take her to a place in the Everglades called Alligator Alley, where quote local predators would have taken care of her. When investigators directly asked Hall whether he killed Sonya, Hall declined to answer. He said, quote, She's happy now because she got what she wanted. I want to stop there and talk about what is actually going on here, because the framing that is going to come out of the defense in this and has already come out in some of the British tabloid coverage, is going to be that this was a suicide pact, that this was consensual, that this was two adults and a dark kink and a woman who wanted what she got. There's a British criminologist named alex Esat who has written about this case, and she said it clearly, so let me just pass her framing along. She said Hall's role was never the role of a participant in a mutual fantasy. She said he did not need to persuade Sonya Xelby of anything.

23:29 He needed only to validate herself. Annihilation. That is the word she used, validate. And I want to add to that. I want to say as directly as I can, that there is no such thing as consent to be tortured to death. You cannot sign away that right, you cannot discord your way into it. The legal term for what Hall is accused of is first degree premeditated murder, and it is first degree premeditated murder because the law of Florida, like the law of every state in this country, says, the life of a mental, life ill thirty two year old woman does not become a man's to take away just because she asked him to take it. That is not how consent works. That is not how any of this works. There is also this. Sonya Xelby's text messages to a friend during the days she was in that Airbnb cabin express fear. They express regret, They express a woman who wanted out. She wrote to a friend that Hall kept taking her phone, that she was sorry that he had told her the only way out was for her to shoot him, that she was questioning everything, that she couldn't kill anyone. Those are not the messages of a woman in a suicide pact. Those are the messages of a woman who went somewhere she shouldn't have gone, and realized it too late and could not get out.

24:50 The prosecution offer is life in prison. Hall's trial starts November sixteenth. It is expected to last about a week. We will bring you updates. There is a playbook for this. It is older than the Internet. There are men who find women in pain and position themselves as the person who understands, as the mentor. That's what Hall called himself, a mentor. Sonia Exelby wasn't looking for a mentor. She was looking for a way to stop hurting. And what she found was a man who saw her mental illness as his opportunity. Accountability doesn't have a legal department, but it does have a jury and it has a courtroom. And starting November sixteenth in Ocala, Florida, one is going to be asked what to do about a man who said of a woman he met online for two years and then allegedly stabbed four times in the woods quote she's happy now. Her name was Sonia Exelby. She had a cat named Merrill. She was thirty two, say her name.

26:05 We are going to close today with a civil lawsuit. No one died in this one, which, after the hour we have just spent together, is a small grace. On Friday, April seventeen, a woman named Angelica Hernandez Vasquez filed an eleven cause of action civil complaint in Los Angeles County Superior Court. The defendants are Kylie Jenner personally Kylie Jenner Incorporated, her company TriStar Services LLLC, le Maison Family Services LLLC, and twenty five unnamed individuals who are listed as does one through twenty five, which is standard legal practice when you believe someone on staff was involved and you don't yet have their name. The plaintiff, Angelica Hernandez Vasquez, describes herself in the complaint as a Salvadoran woman and a practicing Catholic. She worked as a housekeeper. She started on September tenth, twenty twenty four, at Kylie Jenner's Beverly Hills home.

27:03 About a week later, she was transferred over to the Hidden Hills residence. At Hidden Hills, she was supervised by two people. The complaint names only by first name, A head housekeeper identified as Patsy, and another supervisor identified as Elsie Vasquez worked there for just under a year. She resigned in August of twenty twenty five, and her complaint describes what happened in that year. She alleges she was treated with quote hostility and exclusion. From her first day on the job, she was assigned the most difficult and undesirable tasks. She was excluded from the housekeeping team. She was publicly belittled and humiliated in front of co workers. She alleges she was intimidated and demeaned on the basis of her race, her national origin, her religion, and her immigration status. Specifically, she alleges she was told, and I am quoting from the complaint, Catholics are horrible. People were snapped at her while she was shouted at. In March of twenty twenty five, after she raised a formal complaint about how she was being treated, a supervisor allegedly threw clotheshangers at her feet. The lawsuit also alleges the usual wage and hour violations that come in this kind of filing, unpaid overtime, late payment, missed meal and rest breaks, business expenses that were not reimbursed. It alleges that when she complained about the treatment, her complaints were dismissed, mocked, or ignored.

28:30 It alleges she developed anxiety and quote symptoms consistent with post traumatic stress disorder. It alleges she took medical even July of twenty twenty five, and when she returned felt she had no choice but to resign by August. She is seeking damages unpaid wages, rest and meal break premium pay, unreimbursed business expenses, unpaid sickly emotional distress damages, and punitive damages. Now, I want to be fair to Kylie Jenner here, because this lawsuit does not allege that Kylie Jenner personally said Catholics are horrible people. It doesn't allege that Kylie personally threw clothes hangers at anybody. It doesn't allege that Kylie personally snapped her fingers at a Salvadoran housekeeper. Kylie is in the suit because she is the employer, because this is her house, her company, her staff, and California law holds employers responsible for what happens in their workplaces. The allegation against Kylie Jenner specifically is that she allowed this that when the complaints came up the chain, nothing was done, that the culture in her household was one that permitted it.

29:43 Sources familiar with Kylie's household told TMZ that Vasquez was a junior housekeeping employee who had attendance issues. That is the pushback attendance issues. Okay, that's going to get tested in discovery. Here's what I think about cases like this. I think about them a lot because you can see the pattern. Wealthy household, large staff, layers of middle management between the principle and the person doing the actual cleaning, contractors within contractors, within a celebrity brand that has a valuation in the billions. When something goes wrong inside a machine that big, when a woman has told her religion is worthless and her immigration status is a joke, the person at the top of the machine always has plausible deniability.

30:28 They didn't know, they weren't told, the manager should have handled it. There's a playbook for this too, and what California Civil Court is for, among other things, is to test whether that plausible deniability actually holds up when somebody has the resources to pursue discovery, when they can depose Patsy, when they can depose Elsie, when they can subpoena the text, when they can find out whether those complaints actually did die at the supervisor level or whether they went higher. Angelica Hernandez Vasquez is going to have her day in court. Kylie Jenner's lawyers are going to file a response. This will take eighteen months to get anywhere near a jury and probably will settle before it does. That's the usual arc, but the filing is public. Patsy and els whoever they are, are now in a lawsuit, and a Salvadoran woman who left that job with PTSD symptoms is on the record about what happened in the house behind the gate. That matters will follow it. One more piece of news. Two weeks from Tuesday, May fifth, we are launching a ten episode series called Fighting Back. It is going to run two weeks straight. Ten cases where the little guy took on the machine and won the Central Park five, The Radium Girls, Stella Leebek and the Hot Coffee, Aaron Brockovich, The Sacklers Karen Silkwood, Gideon versus Wainwright, David versus Goliath,

31:58 No murders for a chance. I'm gonna need all ten episodes to get through my contempt for the people on the Goliath side. You'll want to subscribe if you don't already. I'm Garrett Fisher. This is Daily Crime and Justice from Calaroga Shark Media. Disclaimer. This episode covers active criminal cases, medical examiner findings, and civil litigation. Details are drawn from court records, police statements, coroner reports, news reporting, and AI assisted research. Some reporting is preliminary and may change as additional information becomes available. A few specific notes on Tonight's sources in the Athenas Strand trial. The ystrd NA testing language used in this episode consistent with and could not be excluded, is the Texas DPS Crime Lab's own wording as presented in courtroom testimony, and is not the same thing as a definitive DNA match. Doctor Jessica Dwyer's autopsy finding of no visible evidence of sexual trauma is part of the same record. Testimony from Tanner Horner's mother, who was referred to in court only as Missus Horner with her face blurred on livestream, is sourced from NBCDFW, CBS News, and Fox four reporting. In the D four VD case, the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner listed the cause of death as multiple penetrating injuries caused by object broader than the District Attorney's press conference language of sharp instruments. Toxicology findings of benzodiazepines and methamphetamine slash MDMA are described in

33:33 theme report as presumptive positives, meaning preliminary and not confirmed. David Anthony Burke has pleaded not guilty and is presumed innocent under the law. In the Dwayne Hall case, facts are sourced from the arrest affidavit as reviewed by Court, TV, NBC News, and Rolling Stone. Hall has pleaded not guilty and is presumed innocent. In the Kylie Jenner lawsuit, allegations are from the civil complaint filed by Angelica Hernandez Vasquez on April seventeenth, twenty twenty six, in Los Angeles County Superior Court. Kylie Jenner is named as a defendant in her capacity as employer and is not personally alleged to have committed any of the specific discriminatory acts describe, and no defendant has yet filed a responsive pleading. This program is entertainment and commentary. It is not legal advice. We try to get the facts right. When we don't, we correct it on air. This episode contains discussion of child murder, sexual assault, suicide, and the murder of a mentally ill person.

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