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Calaruga Shark Media. Good Morning, I'm Reed Carter, Sunday, February eighth,
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twenty twenty six. Yesterday we covered how Patty Hurst went
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from a nineteen year old college student to America's most
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wanted fugitive, kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army, locked in
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a closet for two months, sexually assaulted, threatened with death,
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then emerged calling herself Tanya robbing Banks with an M
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one carbine today the Reckoning. September eighteenth, nineteen seventy five,
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Patty Hurst arrested in a San Francisco apartment nineteen months
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after her kidnapping. When asked her occupation Urban Gorilla. When booked,
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she raised a clenched fist in solidarity with her SLA comrades.
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Her family hired f Lee Bailey, the most famous defeat
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dense attorney in America. His plan proved that Patty Hurst
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had been brainwashed, that she was a prisoner of war,
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that everything she did after being locked in that closet
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was the result of coercive persuasion so extreme it destroyed
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her free will. The prosecution had a different theory. Patty
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Hurst was a bored, rich girl, who found excitement and revolution,
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a willing convert who embraced the SLA's cause, robbed banks
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by choice, and fired automatic weapons to protect her new comrades.
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February fourth, nineteen seventy six, two years to the day
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after her kidnapping, the trial began in San Francisco. Judge
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Oliver J. Carter, presiding prosecutor James Browning, Defense f Lee Bailey,
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and Jay Albert Johnson. The trial lasted six weeks, featured
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over two hundred hours of psychiatric testimony. Had America divided
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into two camps. She was brainwashed, she was guilty, no
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middle ground. On March twentieth, nineteen seventy six, the jury decided,
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But the verdict wasn't the end, not even close, because
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what happened after the verdict is almost as extraordinary as
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the kidnapping itself. Two presidential commutations, a pardon, marriage to
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her bodyguard, acting in John Waters' films, and winning prizes
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at the Westminster Kennel Club dog show from bank robber
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to dog show champion. Only in America, I'm reed, Carter,
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this is celebrity trials today. The trial of Patty Hurst,
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the brainwashing defense that failed Prison Freedom and the strangest
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redemption arc in American criminal history, Part two of two,
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February fourth, nineteen seventy six, San Francisco, United States District
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Court Judge Oliver J. Carter presiding. The courtroom was packed
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media from around the world. The Hurst case had been
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on the cover of Newsweek seven times. This was, by
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any measure, the trial of the decade. And there sat
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Patty Hurst, twenty one years old, now no longer the
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revolutionary in the beret, looking small, thin, scared, the woman
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who had shouted profanity during a bank robbery, now barely
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whispered answers to her attorney's questions. The defense strategy brainwashing
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f lee. Bailey declared that for twenty months, Patty Hurst
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had been a prisoner of war whose actions were entirely
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governed by her desire to stay alive. She never voluntarily
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joined the SLA, She was coerced, terrorized, Her mind was
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broken and rebuilt by her captors. Bailey compared it to
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techniques used on American POWs in Korea isolation, sensory deprivation,
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physical abuse, sexual abuse, constant threat of death, total dependency
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on captors for survival, classic coercive persuasion, break the subject down,
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rebuild them in your image. He put Hurst on the
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stand against her private objections. She described her violent abduction,
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the closet, the blindfold, nearly two months in darkness, being
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sexually assaulted by DeFreeze and Wolf, the death threats, the indoctrination.
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DeFreeze told me that the War Council had decided or
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was thinking about killing me. She testified, I accommodated my
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thoughts to coincide with theirs. Bailey produced three psychiatric experts,
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Doctor Martin Orne, doctor Jolian West, doctor Robert J. Lifton,
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all testified that Hurst's behavior was the result of brainwashing
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coercive persuasion techniques identical to those used on prisoners of war.
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Her behavior was consistent with the traumas she had suffered.
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She was not acting freely. She was surviving, but the
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prosecution had weapons of its own, and they were devastating.
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First the tapes, all those audio tapes, the SLA had
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released Patty's own voice, declaring she joined voluntarily, calling the
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idea of brainwashing ridiculous, denouncing her family, embracing the revolution.
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Her own words played in the court room, contradicting everything
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her defense was arguing. Judge Carter ruled those tapes admissible,
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said the statements were made voluntarily. That ruling gutted Bailey's strategy.
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Every tape the jury heard was Patty Hurst's saying in
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her own voice that she was not brainwashed. Second, the
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jail recording after her arrest. Authorities recorded a conversation between
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Hurst and a visiting friend. On the tape, Hurst was confident, cursing,
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fully aware of her role with the SLA, not the broken,
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terrified hostage. Bailey was describing a woman who sounded perfectly
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in control. Third, the sporting goods store May sixteenth, nineteen
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seventy four, Hurst alone in a van while the Harrises
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were detained for shoplifting across the street, her chance to escape. Instead,
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she grabbed a carbine and emptied the magazine to help
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them flee. If she was a hostage, why didn't she run?
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Why did she save her captors? Fourth the Missing Year,
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the seventeen months between the bank robbery and her arrest,
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Hurst was on the run with SLA members, had multiple
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opportunities to leave, to contact her family, to turn herself in.
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She didn't. Prosecutor Browning wanted to introduce evidence from that
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entire missing year. Bailey objected, Judge Carter allowed it, another
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devastating ruling for the defense. The jury would hear about
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everything Hurst did while on the run, all of its
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suggesting she was a willing revolutionary. And then came the
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Fifth Amendment disaster. On cross examination, Browning peppered Hurst with
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questions about her actions after the bank robbery, her shooting
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at the Sporting Goods store, her time on the run,
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her relationships with SLA members, her continue participation in the
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group's activities. Hurst pleaded the Fifth Amendment forty two times.
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Forty two refused to answer on grounds of self incrimination
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because answering truthfully could have exposed her to additional criminal
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charges for the sporting Goods shooting and other crimes. But
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here's the problem in a criminal trial. When the defendant
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takes the stand and then refuses to answer questions, the
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jury notices they can't legally hold it against her, but
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they're human. Forty two refusals to answer looks like forty
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two things you're hiding. Bailey's decision to put Hurst on
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the stand was later heavily criticized by legal scholars. By
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other attorneys and eventually by Hurst herself. In her autobiography,
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she expressed disappointment with Bailey's lack of focus in the
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crucial final stage of the trial, described him as having
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the appearance of someone with a hangover spilling water down
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the front of his pants while making a disjointed closing argument.
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The prosecution brought its own psycheaatric experts to counter the
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brainwashing defense, and one of them changed everything. Doctor Joel
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Fort not a psychiatrist, but he testified in over two
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hundred criminal cases across the country. His testimony branded Hurst
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as a willing member of the SLA. Said she was
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a strong, wilful, independent person, bored, dissatisfied, in poor contact
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with her family, disliking them to some extent. Said the
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SLA offered her something that was missing excitement, purpose, a
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sense of meaning. Fort described her as a voluntary convert,
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not a brainwashing victim, a rebel in search of a cause.
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Doctor Harry Coozle, prosecution's second expert, was even more damaging.
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A Harvard trained psychiatrist who specialized in criminal behavior. His
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assessment was blunt. This was an act of her own
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free will. Over two hundred hours of psychiatric testimony, dueling experts,
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the jury listening to psychiatrists argue about the nature of
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free will, coercion, and the breaking point of the human mind.
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Even Judge Carter appeared to doze off during the weeks
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of analysis. Bailey's closing argument, there is not anything close
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to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Patty Hurst wanted
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to be a bank robber. What you know and you
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know in your hearts to be true is beyond dispute.
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There was talk about her dying and she wanted to survive.
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Browning's closing methodically cataloged every action indicating Hurst's sympathy with
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the SLA, the gunfire at the sporting goods store, the audiotapes,
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the eulogies for dead SLA members, her keeping a trinket
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given to her by Willie Wolf, the man she claimed
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raped her piece by piece, building a portrait of a
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willing revolutionary. March twentieth, nineteen seventy six, the jury returned
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guilty bank robbery and use of a firearm in the
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commission of a felony. The jury, he deliberated approximately twelve hours,
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found that Patty Hurst acted intentionally and voluntarily in robbing
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the Hibernia Bank. She had been neither brainwashed nor forced
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to participate. Juror Carl Stahl later told reporters he was
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a con artist, referring to Bailey's strategy. Her whole conduct
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showed that she was a con artist. She had planned well,
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and she is above average intelligence. She had one thing
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on her mind, to satisfy her ego and to satisfy herself,
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and she didn't even think of anybody else. Judge Carter
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imposed the maximum preliminary sentence of thirty five years, later
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reduced at final sentencing on September twenty fourth, nineteen seventy
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six to seven years imprisonment. Seven years for a woman
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who was kidnapped at gunpoint, locked in a closet for
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two months, sexually assaulted, threatened with death, and whose free
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will was at minimum severely compromised. These secutors had actually
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offered Bailey a plea deal before trial, plead guilty to
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practically anything in exchange for a lenient sentence, possibly just
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probation as a first time offender. Bailey rejected it. He
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was confident in the brainwashing defense. He also held book
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rights to the Hurst story Brainwashing made for a better
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narrative his client went to prison because her lawyer wanted
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a good book deal. Make it make sense, We'll be
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right back with Patty Hurst in prison, Jimmy Carter's commutation,
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Bill Clinton's pardon, and the most extraordinary second act in
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American criminal history. Patty Hurst was sent to the Federal
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Correctional Institution in Pleasanton, California. She suffered a collapsed lung
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shortly after arriving emergency surgery, medical complications that would continue.
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She was held in solitary confinement for security reasons. A
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wealthy heiress convicted of bank robbery, neither the general population
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nor she herself would be safe in open housing. Meanwhile,
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the legal maneuvering continued. Hurst's cooperation with authorities began almost
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immediately after her conviction. She provided information about SLA activities,
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helped investigators testified against the Harrises. A California Superior Court
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judge gave her probation on the sporting goods store shooting charge.
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When she pleaded no contest, the judge said he believed
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she had been subject to coercion amounting to torture. So
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one judge believed she was coerced. The federal jury didn't.
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Two courts, two different conclusions, same evidence, same woman. In
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November nineteen seventy six, Hurst was released on bail while
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her appeal was pending. Her father hired dozens of bodyguards
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to protect her. One of those bodyguards was a San
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Francisco police officer named Bernard Shaw. The appeal was denied,
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Hurst went back to prison. She changed lawyers, fired Bailey.
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Her new attorney filed motions arguing Bailey hadn't defended her adequately,
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that he was preoccupied with writing a lucrative book about
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her case, that his strategy was flawed from the beginning.
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But by then, something extraordinary was happening outside the courtroom.
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Public opinion was shifting. The initial anger at Hurst for
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joining her captors was giving way to sympathy. People started
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to understand, or at least consider, what happens to a
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nineteen year old girl locked in a dark closet for
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two months, beaten, raped, told she's going to die unless
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she co operates. A campaign for executive clemency gathered momentum
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prominent supporters, legal scholars, mental health professionals, politicians, all arguing
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that Paddy Hurst had been punished enough that the criminal
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justice system had failed to account for the extraordinary circumstances
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of her coercion. February first, nineteen seventy nine, twenty two
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months into her seven year sentence, President Jimmy Carter commuted
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Patty Hurst's sentence to time served. She walked out of
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the Federal Correctional Institution in Pleasanton free. Two months later.
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April first, nineteen seventy nine, she married Bernard Shaw, the
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bodyguard the San Francisco police officer who had guarded her
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while she was on bail, traditional double ring ceremony on
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Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay. Her parents gave them
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a Seer's vacuum cleaner as a wedding present. They thought
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the marriage wouldn't last. Hurst later told Conan O'Brien that story,
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laughing about it. The joke was on them. The marriage
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lasted thirty four years until Shaw's death from cancer in
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twenty thirteen. They moved to Connecticut had two daughters, Gillian
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and Lydia. Patricia Hurst Shaw became a suburban mother charity work,
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fundraising events, social circles that included the children of Rita
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Hayworth and other American dynasties, but the conviction hung over her.
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She wasn't pardoned, she was commuted, Her record wasn't clean
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for twenty two years. Patty Hurst was a convicted felon,
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a bank robber, a woman with a federal criminal record.
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January twentieth, two thousand and one, President Bill Clinton's last
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day in office, in a flurry of controversial pardons and commutations,
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Clinton granted a full presidential pardon to Patricia Hurst Shaw.
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Two presidents Carter commuted her sentence. Clinton erased her conviction.
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The only person in American history to have her kidnapping, brainwashing,
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bank robbery conviction, imprisonment, commutation, and pardon become an arc
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that two different administrations felt compelled to address. California Attorney
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General Evel Younger had said something interesting after Hurst's sentencing.
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If there was a double standard for the wealthy, it
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was the opposite of what was generally believed. He argued,
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Hurst had received a stiffer sentence than a person of
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lesser means might have, that the Hurst name worked against her,
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not for her. Maybe or maybe being a hearst is
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why two presidents intervened. A poor woman convicted of the
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same crime wouldn't have gotten Carter's attention wouldn't have gotten
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Clinton's pardon. The Hurst name made her a target for kidnapping,
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made her trial a sensation, made her conviction harsher, and
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ultimately made her pardon possible. Wealth cuts both ways. It
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creates vulnerability and it creates opportunity. Patty Hurst experienced both.
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So what do you do after You've been kidnapped by revolutionaries?
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Locked in a closet, brainwashed, robbed a bank on camera,
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spent nineteen months as America's most wanted fugitive, been convicted,
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in prison, commuted and pardoned. Apparently you raised dogs and
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act in John Waters movies. In nineteen eighty eight, Hurst
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met filmmaker John Waters while promoting a biopic about her life. Waters,