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Caalaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Red Carter. Tuesday, November fourth,
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twenty twenty five. Three trials, three different stages, all involving
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failures to protect children, Virginia. Day four in Abby's Werner's
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civil trial. The twenty eight year old teacher took the
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stand Thursday, described the moment her six year old student
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shot her in her first grade classroom. I thought I
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was dying. I thought I had died. She survived. The
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bullet is still in her chest. She can't fully use
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her left hand. Six surgeries later, she's suing former assistant
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principal Ebony Parker for forty million dollars. The lawsuit says
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Parker ignored four separate warnings that the boy had a gun,
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told teachers not to search him, said his mother was
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coming to pick him up. The boy shot z Werner
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ninety minutes later. Colorado trial begins for Darren Thrailkill, forty
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years old, accused of murdering his girlfriend's six year old son,
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Martin Osinski in July twenty sixteen. Prosecutors say Thrailkill strangled
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Martin after reaching his breaking point when the boy who
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wore pull ups had an accident defense says Martin died
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from aspiration, pneumonia, and asthma, natural causes. The case went
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cold for seven years, then investigators arrested thrailkill in Florida
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in twenty twenty three. Autopsy says strangulation. Jury deciding now
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and Florida. Monday morning, Troy Victorino and Jeron Hunter were
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resentenced to death third time they faced death row. Convicted
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in two thousand and six for the Deltona xbox murders
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beat six people to death with aluminum baseball bats, all
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because Victorino was evicted from a house and wanted his
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xbox back. Original death sentences overturned in twenty seventeen, jury
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wasn't unanimous. New jury recommended death in May. Judge Don
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Nichols confirmed it Monday. They're headed back to death row
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twenty one years after the murders. I'm reed, Carter today.
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Teachers who survive being shot by students, six year old
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boys murdered by their mother's boyfriends, and mass murderers who
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keep getting sent back to death row. This is celebrity trials.
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Let's start in Newport News, Virginia Circuit Court, Day four
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of testimony in Abigail's Werner versus Ebony Parker. January sixth,
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twenty twenty three, Richneck Elementary School, first grade classroom. Abby's Werner,
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twenty five years old at the time, was sitting at
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a reading table with several students late morning, just before lunch.
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A six year old boy in her class pulled out
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a handgun, a real gun, not a toy. Nine millimeter
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Taurus pistol loaded. Zerner saw him raise it instinctively put
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up her left hand. The boy fired. Bang. The bullet
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went through her left hand, kept going hid her in
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the chest, inches from her heart. She fell to the floor.
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I thought I was dying, Saverner testified Thursday. I thought
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I had died. I thought I was on my way
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to heaven or in heaven, but then it all got black,
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and so I then thought I wasn't going there. Then
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she opened her eyes. Two co workers were around her,
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applying pressure to her wounds. She realized she was hurt,
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realized she was still alive, realized a six year old
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had just shot her. The bullet is still in her
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chest nearly three years later, too close to vital organs
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to remove safely. Zverner will carry that bullet for the
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rest of her life. She spent two weeks in the hospital,
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had six surgeries. Her left hand was destroyed, bones shattered,
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nerves damaged. Doctors did what they could, reconstructed what they could,
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but Verner will never have full use of that hand again.
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Ver for all, I would say, I do struggle with things,
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doing things, She testified, simple things, opening a bag of chips,
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twisting the cap off a water bottle, tasks most people
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don't think twice about. Zverner also described the psychological damage
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post traumatic stress syndrome, nightmares. In her dreams, the boy
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finds her and shoots her again. She's back in the
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school trying to escape, and he tracks her down shoots
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her over and over her Forensic psychiatrist doctor Clarence Watson,
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testified that Verner has had suicidal thoughts, that she's afraid
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to go out in public with her mother and sister,
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that she feels distant from friends, that she's dealing with
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fears the shooter will follow her and come back to
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finish the job. She's impressed me with her devotion to
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working on her mental health, doctor Watson said, But the
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damage is done. Werner no longer teaches won't ever teach again.
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She completed cosmetology school, hopes to work in the beauty industry.
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But a classroom. Now the forty million dollar question, could
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this have been prevented? Zwerner's lawsuit says yes, absolutely yes,
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and it's all on Ebony Parker. Doctor Ebenie Parker, forty
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years old, former assistant principal at Richneck Elementary. She's the
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sole remaining defendant in this lawsuit. The school board, the superintendent,
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the principal all dismissed by the judge earlier. Parker is
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the only one left holding the bag. Here's what the
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evidence shows. That morning, multiple teachers and staff members warned
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Parker that the six year old boy might have a gun.
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Not vague concerns, specific warnings, four separate reports. First warning,
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around eleven fifteen am, a teacher reported that a student
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said the boy showed him a gun in his backpack
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and threatened to shoot him if he told anyone. Parker's response,
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she told a guidance counselor to search the boy's backpack.
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The councilor did found nothing, but the boy had already
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moved the gun. Second warning, shortly after, another teacher reported
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that a different student saw the gun in the boy's
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backpack during recess. The boy was showing it off, bragging
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about it. Parker's response, told staff she would handle it.
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Did nothing. Third warning, Around twelve twenty PM, a teacher
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approached Parker again, said students had seen the boy remove
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something that looked like a firearm from his backpack before
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it was searched. The gun was somewhere on his person
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or nearby. Parker's response. According to testimony from Nina Farish,
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the director of human resources for Newport News Public Schools,
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Parker admitted two or three days after the shooting that
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this report came in around twelve twenty pm, ninety minutes
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before the shooting. Parker knew did nothing. Fourth warning. Around
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one PM, a teacher asked Parker if she could search
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the boy's person, not his backpack, his pockets, his clothing,
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physical search. Parker's response, according to testimony from education expert
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An shuffle Barger, she forbad teachers from searching the six
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year old for a firearm, saying his mother would pick
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him up soon. You don't need to check. At that time,
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Parker told him to wait. The boy's mother was coming,
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don't search him don't create a scene, just wait. Except
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the mother didn't come, and at one fifty pm, fifty
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minutes after Parker told teachers to wait, the boy pulled
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out his mother's gun and shot Abby's werner. In my mind,
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that's a failure to act, shuffle Barger testified. But wait,
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it gets worse. This six year old wasn't some quiet
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kid having a bad day. He had a documented history
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of violence at the school. During the previous school year
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twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two, the boy strangled
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and choked a teacher. Separate incident, he pulled up a
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female classmate's dress on the playground and touched her inappropriately.
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He was required to be accompanied by a parent at
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all times at school because of his violent tendencies, but
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on January sixth, twenty twenty three, school administrators allowed him
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to remain unaccompanied. No parent, no aid, Just a violent
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six year old wandering around with a gun in his
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pocket while teachers begged the assistant principle to do something.
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Parker's defense tried to argue she was busy overseeing state
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testing that day, had other responsibilities, couldn't drop everything to
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search one student. Shuffle Barger destroyed that argument. It's almost
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like a triage situation. You have to determine what is
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more important, what is more urgent at this time, and
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a report of a firearm stops everything. A report of
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a firearm stops everything. Not well, I'm busy with testing.
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Not let's wait for mom. Not I'm sure it's fine.
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A six year old with a gun stops everything. Parker
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didn't stop anything. Zerner was shot ninety minutes after the
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first warning. And here's the kicker. When police responded, they
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couldn't get in. Retired Corporal Thomas Blythe testified about arriving
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at the school. We immediately went to the front door
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of the school, hit the buzzer, knocked on the doors,
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couldn't get in, didn't see anybody moving around. Not what
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we expected to be responding to a situation like this.
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It seemed like an eternity for us. It was probably
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about a minute of banging on the door until I
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think a janitor or a security person opened the door
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for us a minute sixty seconds while Abby's Werner was
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bleeding on the floor of her classroom with a bullet
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in her chest. Police were locked outside banging on the
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door because nobody would let them in your tax dollars
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at work. Body camera footage shown to the jury captured
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the scene blood Swerner on the ground, paramedics performing life
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saving measures, a frenzied, chaotic nightmare. The footage was so
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graphic that the media outlet covering the trial chose not
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to release it publicly. Doctor James Stewart, an orthopedic surgeon,
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testified about z Werner's injuries. Her hand will never be normal.
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The nerve damage is permanent. She's had multiple surgeries. More
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may be needed. She'll deal with pain and limited function
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for the rest of her life. Z Werner's twin sister, Hannah,
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also testified, described how her sister has changed since the shooting.
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More reclusive, now doesn't want to go out, doesn't want
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to be in public spaces, afraid, traumatized, different person. During
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cross examination, Parker's defense team tried to undercut Swerner's claims
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of being severely damaged. Showed jurors that Swerner had reached
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out to Taylor Swift via social media after the shooting,
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attended an aristour show in Philadelphia in May twenty twenty three,
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four months after being shot. The implication if she he
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was so traumatized and physically damaged. How could she go
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to a concert? Let me explain something to the defense.
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Going to a tailor swift concert doesn't mean you're healed,
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doesn't mean the bullet in your chest disappeared, doesn't mean
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your hand works, doesn't mean the nightmare stopped. It means
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you tried to do something normal, tried to feel alive again,
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tried to reclaim a piece of your life that a
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six year old took from you when he pulled the trigger.
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Make it make sense. Zwerner's legal team rested their case
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Thursday afternoon. Parker's defense will begin presenting their case Monday.
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The trial is expected to last eight days total. Any
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verdict against Parker will be paid by the Virginia Risk
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Sharing Association, essentially an insurance pool for public entities. But
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Parker also faces separate criminal charges. A special grand jury
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indicted her earlier this year on eight counts of felony,
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child abuse and neglect, one count for each bullet in
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the six year old's loaded gun. Her criminal jury trial
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is set to begin November seventeenth, twenty twenty five, two
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weeks from now civil case first criminal case. Next. Parker
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is fighting on two fronts. As for the six year
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old boy, he was not charged with any wrongdoing. He
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was six below the age of criminal responsibility in Virginia,
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but his mother was. Deja Taylor pleaded guilty to child
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neglect and federal weapons charges, sentenced to nearly four years
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in prison. She left a loaded gun where her violent,
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troubled six year old could access it. He took it
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to school shot his teacher. Abby's werner should be teaching today,
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should be in her classroom, reading with first graders, helping
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them learn. Instead, she's testifying in court about the day
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she thought she died, About the bullet that's still in
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her chest, about the hand that doesn't work anymore, about
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the nightmares where a six year old finds her and
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shoots her again. Four warnings, ninety minutes. One assistant principal
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who told teachers to wait because mom was coming. Rest
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in peace to the teacher Abby's werner used to be.
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She survived the shooting, but the person she was before
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January sixth, twenty twenty three didn't. We'll be right back
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with the Colorado trial of Darren Thrailkill, accused of strangling
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his girlfriend's six year old son, to death after the
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boy wet his pull ups. Welcome back to celebrity trials.
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I'm reed, Carter, Grand Junction, Colorado, Mesa County District Court,
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State of Colorado versus. Darren Thrailkill. July second, twenty sixteen,
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early morning, Saint Mary's Hospital received a call a six
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year old boy unresponsive was being rushed to the emergency room.
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Martin Osinski, six years old, not breathing. Hospital staff tried everything,
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life saving measures, CPR, advanced interventions. Nothing worked. Martin was
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declared dead. Emergency room personnel noticed something immediately suspicious. Marks
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on Martin's body, bruising around his neck, injuries that didn't
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match the story they were being told. They called police.
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Grand Junction Police Department responded, began investigating, interviewed Martin's mother, Crystal,
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interviewed her boyfriend, Darren Thrailkill, thirty one years old at
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the time, he'd been living with Crystal and Martin. Thrailkill
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told police he'd checked on Martin before going to bed,
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found the boy not breathing, woke Crystal up. They rushed
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Martin to the emergency room. Simple story, straightforward, tragic accident,
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except it wasn't. July fourth, twenty sixteen autopsy performed by
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Mesa County Coroner Dean Halick. Cause of death asphyxia specifically
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consistent with strangulation, bruising on Martin's neck, partchial hemorrhaging in
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his eyes, classic signs of manual strangulation, manner of day
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death homicide. Martin Osinsky, six years old, was murdered and
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the prime suspect was the man who claimed to be
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his father, figure, Darren Thrailkill. Investigators dug deeper talked to witnesses.
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Two people told police that Thrailkill did bad things to
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Martin to discipline him. Wouldn't elaborate, scared, but it was
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clear Thrailkill had a history of abusing the boy. Police
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also discovered Thrailkill had been listed on two previous child
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abuse reports, both opened in March twenty twelve, four years
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before Martin's death. Red Flags documented concerns nothing was done.
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Thrailkill also had a misdemeanor assault conviction on his record
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from twenty fifteen, one year before Martin's death. Per the
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terms of his probation, Thrailkill had to abstain from alcohol.
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He told authorities that alcohol played a major role in
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the assorts but evidence showed Thrailkill had been drinking in
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the home where Martin lived, empty bud light cans, empty
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four Loco cans, high alcohol energy drinks. Thrailkill was violating
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his probation drinking in a house with a six year
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old he'd already been reported for abusing. Thrail Kill himself