May 4, 2026

MLB STAR'S TEARFUL TESTIMONY, CAPE CORAL TEEN TAKES THE STAND, GIRLFRIEND'S 'I'M FREE' TAPE

MLB STAR'S TEARFUL TESTIMONY, CAPE CORAL TEEN TAKES THE STAND, GIRLFRIEND'S 'I'M FREE' TAPE

Three trials. Three accused. Three different ways to dodge accountability. A socialite already serving life. A teenage gunman who took the stand in his own murder trial. A girlfriend recorded saying “I’m free” the day after her boyfriend’s...

Three trials. Three accused. Three different ways to dodge accountability.

A socialite already serving life. A teenage gunman who took the stand in his own murder trial. A girlfriend recorded saying “I’m free” the day after her boyfriend’s six-year-old son died. Garret Fisher walks you through Friday’s tearful testimony from former MLB shortstop Royce Clayton in the Rebecca Grossman wrongful death civil trial — where Scott Erickson’s hamburger and IPA the day after the crash say everything. Then Cape Coral, where Thomas Stein takes the stand for shooting fifteen-year-old Kayla Rincon-Miller. And La Crosse, Wisconsin, where Josie Dikeman’s own words may convict her in the death of six-year-old Alexavier Pedrin.

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Caalaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Garrett Fisher. Monday, May fourth,

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twenty twenty six. This is Daily Crime and Justice. Let

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me tell you what we have today. In Van Nuys, California,

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a wrongful death civil trial is in its second week.

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The defendant is a woman named Rebecca Grossman. She is

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sixty four years old. She is currently incarcerated at a

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California state prison serving a sentence of fifteen years to

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life or second degree murder after a jury convicted her

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of mowing down two boys in a crosswalk in Westlake

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Village in September of twenty twenty. The boys were brothers,

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Mark Iscander was eleven, Jacob Ascandor was eight. Their parents,

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Nancy and Kareem, are now suing Grossman in civil court

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for what their attorney has described as quote tens and

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tens and tens of millions of dollars. They we are

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also assuing the man who was driving the suv directly

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in front of Rebecca Grossman that night, A man who

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was racing alongside her, according to multiple witnesses, at speeds

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that hit eighty one miles an hour, A man who

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was charged criminally in connection with these two dead children

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with one count of misdemeanor reckless driving, a charge that

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was later dismissed after he agreed to give a public

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service announcement to high school students about driving safely. That

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man is a former Major League baseball pitcher named Scott Erickson,

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and on Friday, his best friend of thirty years, Another

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former Major League baseball player named Royce Clayton, sat on

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the witness stand in Van nys and broke down crying

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as he described the phone call Ericson made to him

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within minutes of the crash. We are going to walk through,

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what Clayton said. In Fort Myers, Florida, a teenager named

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Thomas Stein is on trial for the murder of a

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fifteen year old girl named Kayla rinkin Miller. Kayla was

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walking with two of her friends after a movie. They

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headed to McDonald's. They were filming each other on their phones.

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They were doing a fake runway walk. Their friend, Kayla

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had her whole life in front of her, and then

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a silver SUV did a U turn at them, hit

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them with high beams, and two boys got out with guns.

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On Friday, Stein's co defendant testified that the original plan

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was to break into cars, that Stein was the one

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who proposed robbing three girls walking down the street, and

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that after the gun went off, the co defendant, the

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one who got the plea deal, turned to Stein and screamed,

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why do you shoot? Then Stein himself took the stand

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and In Lacrosse, Wisconsin, a woman named Josie Dyckman is

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on trial for the death of a six year old

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boy named Alexavier Pedrin. He was her boyfriend's son. He

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died on the morning of February eleventh, twenty twenty three,

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of blunt force trauma to the head, with a torn liver,

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swelling in his brain and zan in his blood. Diakman

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called nine to one one and told them he had

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gotten into a bag of drugs. The medical examiner did

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not believe her. The boy's father, who had been arrested

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the night before on a domestic violence call against Dykman,

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did not believe her either. He worked with police from

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inside a jail cell to record his conversations with her,

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and on those recordings, the prosecution says, Josie Dykman tells

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him quote, I'm free three stories today and then tomorrow

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this show goes somewhere a little different. The production team

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is taking two weeks. I'm going to be hosting solo

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and we are going to spend those two weeks telling

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David versus Goliath's stories, little guys who took on the

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Powerful and One. We start tomorrow with the Central Park five,

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Part one of two. So this is the last regular

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episode of Daily Crime and Justice for a couple of weeks,

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but that's tomorrow. Today we were September twenty ninth, twenty twenty,

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Westlake Village, California, about thirty five miles west of downtown

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Los Angeles. Affluent, quiet, the kind of suburb where a

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parent feels comfortable letting her three young sons walk with

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her to the park. Nancy Ascandor was crossing Triunfo Canyon

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Road that evening with her three boys, five years old,

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eight years old, eleven years old. Mark was the eleven

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year old. Jacob was the eight year old. They were

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in a marked crosswalk walk signal, doing everything right. Two

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Mercedes SUVs came down that road at high speed. Witnesses

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would later testify they appeared to be racing each other.

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Data pulled from one of those Mercedes, the white one,

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driven by Rebecca Grossman, indicates it was traveling it up

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to eighty one miles per hour as it approached the crosswalk.

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The speed limit on that road is forty five. The

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first suv, a black Mercedes driven by Scott Erickson Zarres, swerved,

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missed the boys kept going. The second suv, the white one,

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did not swerve. Nancy Scandor was able to grab her

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five year old and pull him out of the way.

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She could not get to her older too. Both boys

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were hit at full speed. Both were launched into the air.

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Mark and jacobus Kandor died from their injuries. Rebecca Grossman

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did not stop. She drove for several hundred more feet

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before her windshield, her hood, and what was left of

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her front end forced her to When officers arrived, she

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was at the scene. Her car was destroyed and Mark

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Iskander's body was lodged in the wreckage of the front

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of her vehicle. In February of twenty twenty four, a

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Los Angeles County jury convicted her of two counts of

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second degree murder, two counts of vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence,

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and one count of hit and run driving. She was

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sentenced in June of twenty twenty four to fifteen years

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to life. She tried to appeal. A California state appeals

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court rejected the appeal earlier this year. She is currently incarcerated.

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She will probably die in prison. That is the criminal case.

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That case is closed. What is open, What started its

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second week of trial on Friday in a courtroom in

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Van Nys is the civil case. The Askonder family is

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suing Rebecca Grossman, her plastic surgeon husband Peter Grossman, as

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the registered owner of the Mercedes, and Scott Erickson, the

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man in the other SUV, for a damage's number their

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lead attorney, Brian Panish, has described as tens and tens

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and tens of millions. Some reporting puts that figure at

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over one hundred million dollars. Now about Scott Erickson, because

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this is where it gets interesting. Ericson is fifty eight

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years old, six foot four. He had a fifteen year

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career in Major League Baseball. Pitched for the Minnesota Twins,

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the Baltimore Orioles, the New York Mets, the Texas Rangers,

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the Los Angeles Dodgers, and the New York Yankees. He

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won a World Series with the Twins in nineteen ninety one.

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He was an all star. He had a real career

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on the night Mark and jacobus Kandor died. He was

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Rebecca Grossman's boyfriend. They had been having an affair for

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some time. He was driving the Mercedes directly in front

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of hers. According to witnesses, they were racing. According to

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the data from her car, she was going at least

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eighty one miles per hour. According to Rebecca Grossman's own

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criminal defense team his own girlfriend's lawyers, the deadly crash

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was Scott Erickson's fault. They argued at her trial that

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he had been the one who actually struck the boys.

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That argument did not work for Grossman. The jury convicted

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her anyway. But here is what happened to Scott Erickson.

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The man who was driving directly in front of Rebecca

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Grossman at the same speed a Mercedes, who multiple witnesses

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said appeared to be racing her, who saw the children

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in the crosswalk before she did, because he was the

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lead car. That man was charged with one count of

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misdemeanor reckless driving, and that charge was dismissed after he

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made a public service announcement to high school students about

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safe driving. Two children are dead he gave a speech.

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I want to sit in that for a second. Because

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the gap between what happened to Rebecca Grossman, a wealthy socialite,

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co founder of the Grossman Burne Foundation, married to a

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famous Beverly Hills plastic surgeon, the kind of person you

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would expect the system to protect, and what happened to

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Scott Erickson, who is a former professional athlete, also wealthy,

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also connected, also driving fast on the same road on

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the same night. That gap is the entire reason this

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civil case exists. The Iskander family is in court right

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now because the criminal system gave them at most half

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an answer. They are looking for the other half. Friday's

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witness was the man who might be able to provide it.

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Royce Clayton fifty six years old, seventeen years in Major

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League baseball as a shortstop, played for eleven different teams

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over those seventeen years. He was, by his own description,

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a journeyman. After his playing career ended, he became a

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baseball coach. In twenty twenty, he was the baseball coach

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at Oakes Christian School in Westlake Village. Marcus Gander, the

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eleven year old who was killed, was a sixth grader

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at that school. Rebecca Grossman's two children also attended Royce.

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Clayton was Scott Erickson's closest friend. They had known each

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other for thirty years. On the day of the crash,

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Clayton had drinks with Erickson and Grossman at a place

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called Julio's Agave Grill in Westlake Village, Margarita's. The plan

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was for the three of them to drive separately back

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to Grossman's lakeside house and watch a presidential debate together.

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Clayton stopped at a grocery store on the way. He

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never made it to the house because while Clayton was

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at the grocery store, Mark and Jacob Iskander were dying

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in the road. What happened next is what Clayton testified

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to On Friday, he called Ericson asking for directions to

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Grossman's house. Ericson picked up. Ericson said, there has been

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a horrible accident. You can't come, and then, according to

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Clayton's sworn testimony, Ericson described what had just happened. He

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told his best friend that he and Rebecca Grossman had

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been These are the words Clayton said. Ericson used quote

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fucking flying down the street, that she was directly behind him,

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that as he came up to the crosswalk he saw

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the children, that he swerved, and that after he swerved,

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he looked in his rear view mirror and saw Rebecca

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Grossman hit both of those boys. On the witness stand

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on Friday, when the Escander family's attorney asked him to

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describe that phone call, Royce Clayton broke down crying. He

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had to wipe his eye with tissues. The judge called

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a break. When he came back, Clayton continued. He testified

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that Ericson told him. He then drove the rest of

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the way to Rebecca Grossman's house. Grossman's house not the

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scene of the accident, and from her house decided to

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jog back to where she had hit the boys, where

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the police were now arriving, where the bodies were. I'm

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going to be honest with you, I have been reading

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and rereading those facts for two days, and I cannot

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make them sit still in my head. He saw the

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children in the crosswalk, he swerved, he kept driving, He

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went to her house, he jogged back. The two boys

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were dead the whole time. And then it gets worse.

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The next day, less than twenty four hours after Mark

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and Jacob's candor were killed, Royce Clayton ran into Scott

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Erickson at an oceanside restaurant in Malibu. Clayton testified that

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Ericson was sitting there, eating a hamburger and drinking a beer.

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Clayton himself was quote troubled by the loss of those boys.

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It was weighing on me, he testified. He said he

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kept thinking about the boy's parents. He said he could

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not imagine he had children of his own. The man

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who had described what happened to him on the phone

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the night before was less than a day later, sitting

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at a beach restaurant having a burger. Sometime around then,

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Ericson sent Clayton a text message. The text read, and

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this is on the record, this is not paraphrase. Quote,

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at the house. Nothing to worry about, Nothing to worry about.

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Clayton sat on that for a while, he told the jury.

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He eventually consulted a cousin of his who was a

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former sheriff's deputy. The cousin connected him to the detectives

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investigating the crash. Clayton testified that he was at first

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conflicted about going to police. He said that growing up

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where he grew up, Inglewood in Los Angeles, talking to

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police about a friend would be considered his word snitching,

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But he said the loss of those two boys outweighed

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that he told the police what Ericson had told him.

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Ericson's attorneys argued back at trial that Clayton's memory is imperfect,

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that in a deposition, Clayton acknowledged he could not say

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with certainty that Ericson used the word racing. Clayton conceded

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that on Friday he said he was using semantics. He said,

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I don't remember exactly what he said, but he stood

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by the rest of it. The fucking flying, the crosswalk,

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the rear view mirror, the jog back to the scene

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now a piece of context the jury will be working

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with as this trial continues. In the criminal case, Grossman's

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defense team blamed Ericson for the crash. They said he

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was the one who hit the boys, not her. The

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jury rejected that. In the civil case, Grossman's defense team

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and Ericsson's defense team are blaming each other. Grossman's civil

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attorney has argued she never saw the children in the crosswalk.

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Ericson's attorneys have argued he drove through without hitting them

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and was not drunk. Both defendants are pointing at the

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other one. The jury, eight women, four men, has to

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decide how to apportion fault. And here is the thing

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about the civil system. The standard of proof in a

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civil trial is not beyond a reasonable doubt. It is

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preponderance of the evidence more likely than not, which means

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the question for this jury isn't whether Scott Erickson is

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criminally guilty of anything. He isn't that doors closed. The

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question is whether it is more likely than not that

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he was civilly responsible in some measurable percentage for the

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deaths of Mark and Jacobuscandor, and whether his estate, the

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money he made over fifteen years in Major League baseball,

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should pay damages to the a Scandor family for what

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he did or did not do that night. Witness testimony continues.

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Ericson is expected to be called as a hostile witness.

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The trial is expected to last about two months. We'll

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keep you on it. Two boys are dead. One driver's

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in prison, the other one is sitting in a courtroom

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in Van NY's four and a half years later, listening

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to his best friend of thirty years cry on the

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witness stand because of what he told him on the

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phone that night. There's a playbook for getting out of

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a criminal charge. With a public service announcement, there is

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no playbook for getting out of what Royce Clayton just

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said under oath. When we come back, Cape Coral, Florida,

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a fifteen year old girl walking home from a movie

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with her friends, a silver SUV and the question of

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who actually pulled the trigger? Welcome back to Daily Crime Injustice.

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I'm Garrett Fisher, and I want to tell you about

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a fifteen year old girl named Kayla ringcon Miller. March seventeenth,

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twenty twenty four, Saint Patrick's Day, Cape Coral, Florida. Kayla

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and two of her friends, a girl named Emma Wright

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and a girl name Leuanne Dejai, went to the movies.

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They were teenagers. They got out late, they got hungry.

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They decided to walk to a McDonald's on the way.

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And this detail will haunt you. I want to warn you.

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The three girls were filming each other on their phones,

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just messing around. They had Kayla pretend to walk a runway.

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They were doing the kind of TikTok adjacent goofy thing

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that fifteen year old girls do with their best friends.

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There is video. The jury saw it, Kayla walking pretending

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to be on a fashion runway with her friends, giggling

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behind the camera. That is what she was doing in

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the last hour of her life. A silver suv pulled up,

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drove by them slowly. According to the surviving girls, the

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men inside were staring at them. Then the suv did

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a U turn, came back, aimed its high beams directly

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at them. Two men got out. They had guns. Emma

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Wright and Luene Dejai testified that at first they thought

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it was a prank, that kind of prank where someone

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you know jumps out at you and yells. They were teenagers,

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they could not process what was actually happening. The men

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demanded their bags. There was an altercation, three gunshots. Kayla

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was on the ground. Lewana Jay testified that she saw

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Kayla on the ground after the gunshots, that Kayla looked

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at her and said, these were her words, I just

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got shot. Leuanne tried to put pressure on the wound,

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helped call Kayla's sister and grandmother. Kayla was rushed to

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a hospital. The next morning, the surgeons came out and

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told the family she had died. Cause of death, according

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to the associate medical examiner who testified on Friday, complications

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from a gunshot wound to the torso the bullet went

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in through her chest and exited through her lower back.

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The medical examiner testified that the muzzle of the firearm

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was approximately two to three centimeters from her chest when

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it discharged, that is point blank range. The men in

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the suv where a now eighteen year old named Thomas

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Roy Stein he was sixteen at the time, and a

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co defendant named Christopher Horn Junior. The vehicle was a

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Hurtz rental. It was rented in the name of Thomas

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Stein's mother, Jessica Stein. Christopher Horn Junior, the co defendant,

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has already pleaded no contest to second degree murder and

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three counts of attempted robbery. He is going to be

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sentenced on May nineteenth to twenty five years in prison.

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That deal is contingent on his cooperation against Stein, which

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is why on Friday, day three of Stein's trial, Horn

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took the witness stand and described what happened in that car.

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According to Horn, he and Stein met through a mutual friend.

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They had spent the day at the beach with Stein's family.

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Stein and Horn picked Horn up that evening. The original plan,

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Horn testified, was to break into cars. That was the

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criminal enterprise for the night, steal stuff out of vehicles,

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garden variety, smack grab. Then Horn testified, Stein pulled into

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the parking lot of a movie theater and Stein, now

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these are Horn's words on the stand, proposed robbing the

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three girls walking down the street. Horn testified that the

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gun was already in the vehicle when Stein picked him up,

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that when he saw it, he told Stein to take

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the bullets out. That Stein did not listen. After the

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gun went off and Kayla Ringconn Miller was on the ground,

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Horn testified he turned to Stein and screamed at him,

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why'd you shoot? Why'd you shoot? Then they fled. Horn

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testified that he later threw the gun into a river

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and threw his cell phone away. That is the prosecution's version.

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That is what the cooperator says, the cooperator who is

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getting twenty five years instead of life. Stein's defense from

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the opening statement on Wednesday, has been. My client is

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a patsy. Stein was set up. Christopher Horn Junior is

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a liar. Horn is a man who will say whatever

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the prosecution needs him to say in order to keep

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his deal of a lifetime. There is no forensic evidence

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directly tying Stein to the trigger pull. The prosecution's response

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is that there's GPS data, there are cell phone records.

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There is the SUV that was rented in his mother's name.

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There is surveillance video showing the U turn. There is

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Stein's mother taking the stand last week and confirming from

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the witness chair, looking at her own son, that yes,

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she rented that vehicle. Yes, Christopher Horn was with her

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son that day. Yes, Horn was wearing a red hoodie

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earlier in the day and a different shirt after the incident,

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the implication being that he changed clothes after the murder.

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The mother testified to all of that, and on Friday,

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after the prosecution rested Thomas Stein himself took the witness stand.

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His version in summary, the gun went off. He says

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he was trying to break up an altercation. He says

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it was an accident. Look, I want to be careful here.

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The defense will get its turn cross examination is not over.

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The jury has not heard everything. I am not the

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trier of fact in this case. The jury is. But

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there is a fifteen year old girl who is dead.

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There is a video in evidence of her walking down

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a sidewalk with her friends, pretending to be on a

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runway the night she died. There are two surviving witnesses

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who testified that men with guns got out of a

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silver suv that was rented in Stein's mother's name. There

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is a co defendant who said the original plan was

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to break into cars, and that Stein chose in a

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movie theater parking lot to escalate to armed robbery of

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three teenage girls. There is a medical examiner who testified

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that whoever pulled that trigger held the muzzle two to

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three centimeters from a fifteen year old's chest. The defense

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theory is that the gun went off. I have heard

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a lot of defenses on this show. The gun went

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off is historically not the strongest one. Kayla Ringcone Miller

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would be eighteen now, a senior, probably picking out a college,

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probably arguing with her mom about prom Instead, three teenagers

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walked to a McDonald's after a movie, and only two

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of them came home. Closing arguments are expected this week.

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We'll bring you the verdict when it comes in when

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we come back. Lacrosse, Wisconsin, a six year old boy

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named AJ, a doctor who flagged the abuse five weeks

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before he died, a girlfriend who was caught on a

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recording saying quote, I'm free, welcome back. The third story

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today comes out of Lacrosse County, Wisconsin, and I want

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to walk through it in order because the order matters.

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His name was Alexavier Pedron. They called him a J.

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He was six years old. His grandmother told a local

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news station after he died that he was a typical

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little kid that just had fun. He liked to play

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with cars, he liked to ride his bike. He had

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cousins his age, and they called themselves the three Musketeers.

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A Jay lived in a home in Metie, Wisconsin, just

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outside Lacrosse, with his father, a man named Derek Pedron,

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and his father's girlfriend, a woman named Josie Dyckman. The

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household was by both sides description in court complicated. Derek

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had two children from a previous relationship, including a j

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Josie had a son from a previous relationship together. Derek

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and Josie had two more children. Derek also had another

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child with a third woman, with whom he was apparently

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still in some kind of relationship. So the home contained

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children plural of various parentages, all in Josie Dykeman's daily care. Now,

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I want to give you a piece of information that

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the jury already has, because this is where the system

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failure thread starts. In January of twenty twenty three, Aj

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Pedron was admitted to a hospital in Lacrosse Gunderson Health

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System with a fractured femur. The femur is the largest

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strongest bone in a child's body. It does not break

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in a fall on a carpet, It does not break

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easily at all. A doctor at that hospital, looking at

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Aj Pedron's leg, expressed concerns about possible child abuse. That

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concern was documented. Aj went home five weeks later he

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was dead. Other children who were in Josie Didikman's care

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later told investigators what they had seen in that house.

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They described, among other things, Dykman bending AJ's leg back.

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They described her choking him. The Family and Children's Center

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documented those statements. Court records also show that this was

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not Josie Dyckman's first encounter with the child welfare system.

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She was previously convicted of felony child neglect in twenty

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thirteen in connection with injuries to a different diferent child,

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different child, same defendant, ten years earlier. That is the

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picture going into the night of February tenth and the

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morning of February eleventh, twenty twenty three. On February tenth,

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Derek Pedron came home from work. He testified last week

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that he found Aj on the couch sick. He said

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he saw the boy vomit. He said he didn't see

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that night any evidence of abuse on his son. Now,

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Derek Pedrin is not a sympathetic witness in this case.

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He has admitted on the stand to a drinking problem,

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to being aggressive when he drinks, to having violent arguments

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with Dykeman that were captured on video. There is video

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the jury saw of one of his children claiming Derek

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hit him. He admitted purchasing Xanax for Dykeman. He is

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not the good guy in this story. He is a

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person who, on the night his six year old son

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was vomiting on a couch, looked at him and decided

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everything was fine. That night. On February ten, officers came

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to the house and arrested Derek Pedron. They arrested him

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because Josie Dyckman had a no contact order out against

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him he had been violating it. He testified that he

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didn't even get to say goodbye to his children. He

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went to jail. From the jail that night, he called Daikemon.

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He testified that she did not report any problems at

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the house. Aj was sick on the couch. She did

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not mention it what we know she was doing instead

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that night, while Aj was on that couch between roughly

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six pm and midnight, the prosecution has put cell phone

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records into evidence, was exchanging approximately one hundred text messages

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with another man setting up a date for the following day,

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Approximately one hundred texts from the room next to the

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couch where a six six year old was lying. The

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next morning, February eleventh, Josie Dyckman called nine to one one.

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She told the operator that Aj was on the floor,

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not breathing. She told the operator there was a bag

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of drugs on the floor. She suggested that maybe Aj

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had gotten into the drugs. EMTs arrived. They tried to

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revive him. He was pronounced dead at the scene. The

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medical examiner, doctor reed Quinton, testified earlier in the trial

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that Aj Pedron did not die of an overdose. He

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died of blunt force trauma. He had multiple bruises on

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his face, his scalp, in his neck, He had internal injuries,

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a torn liver, he had brain swelling. There was xanax

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in his blood, but the xanax did not kill him.

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The blunt force trauma killed him. Now Here is what

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happened next, and here is why this case is different.

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Derek Pedron, sitting in a jail cell when his son died,

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did something that, given everything else about him, I just described,

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surprised me. He decided to find out what happened. He

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told officers he wanted to help. They equipped him to

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record his conversations with Josie Dyckman. Those recordings were played

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in court last week. In one of them, Pedron tells

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Dykeman that the police no longer believe Aj overdosed, that

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they are looking at homicide. Dykeman's response, in her own

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voice on tape quote, I'm so happy right now. I'm

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not happy, but I'm happy that I know nothing's gonna happen.

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In a later recording, the prosecution says Dykeman told Pedron, quote,

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I'm free now. There is more on the recordings. There

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are moments where Dykeman cries. She told Pedron, I don't

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get how any of this fucking happened, but it's a

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fucking nightmare and I hate waking up every fucking day.

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She said she had picked up AJ's body that morning,

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held him, did cpr, cried and cried. There is performance

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and there is something else, and the jury is gonna

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have to sort which is which. The defense's position from

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opening statements is that Derek Petrin is the abuse user,

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that he made the lives of his children and Josie

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a living hell, and that the abuse that killed Aj

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came from him, not from her. The defense will get

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to make that case. The trial is expected to run

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another two weeks. But here's what the trial cannot do.

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The trial cannot give Aj Pedron back his life. The

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trial cannot unbreak his femur from January twenty twenty three.

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The trial cannot take a doctor's flagged report out of

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the file and replace it with intervention. The trial cannot

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turn the one hundred text to a date into a

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nine to one to one call to help a sick child.

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A doctor saw it, a doctor wrote it down, the

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system saw it, and then he died. Anyway, that's the

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part I cannot stop thinking about. That's the part that

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does not have a legal department. Pedron should be turning

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ten this year. He would be in fourth grade. He

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should be playing with his cousins, riding bikes, doing whatever

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the Three Musketeers were going to do next. Instead, a

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courtroom in Lacrosse is listening to a recording of his

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father's girlfriend say quote, I'm free. Of course she did so.

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Three Stories, one thread. In Van nys, a man who

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has never been criminally charged for the deaths of two

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children sits in a courtroom while his best friend of

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thirty years cries on the stand and describes the phone

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call he made the night they died. A teenager is

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on trial for the death of a fifteen year old

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girl who was filming herself walking a fake runway with

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her friends in the last hour of her life, and

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his defense is that the gun went off. In Lacrosse,

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a woman who has a prior felony child neglect conviction

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and whose six year old victim was flagged by a

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hospital doctor for suspected abuse five weeks before he died,

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is sitting in court while the prosecution plays a recording

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of her saying I'm free. The criminals system caught Rebecca Grossman.

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The criminal system might catch Thomas Stein and Josie Dyckman,

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but it took fifteen years for the criminal system to

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catch a fraction of Scott Ericsson. It took a fractured

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femur and five more weeks of beatings to catch Josie Dyckman.

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It took a fifteen year old girl on a sidewalk

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with her friends to catch Thomas Stein. The system, over

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and over again, only ever catches up after the body.

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Accountability doesn't have a legal department, but the people who

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could have stopped any of this had jobs and offices

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and case numbers. They had time, they just didn't use it. Tomorrow,

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this show goes somewhere a little different. For two weeks.

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The production team is on vacation. I'm hosting solo and

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we are going to spend ten episodes telling stories about

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people who took on the powerful against impossible odds and

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one We start tomorrow with the Central Park five five teenagers,

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New York City, nineteen eighty nine, a Cose confession and

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eighty five thousand dollars full page newspaper ad calling for

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the death penalty before a trial had even started, and

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thirteen years before DNA evidence finally said what every one

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of those boys had been saying the whole time, Part

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one of two tomorrow until then, say their names. Marcus Scander,

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Jacobus Scander, Kayla Rinkin, Miller, Alexe, Via Pedrin, do Better.

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Daily Crime Injustice is a Calaroga Shark Media production hosted

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by Garrett Fisher. This program is entertainment and commentary, not

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legal advice. We rely on AI assisted research, and we

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do our best to get the facts right. When we don't,

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we correct it. Some details in today's reporting are preliminary

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or contested. In particular in the Grossman ericson civil trial,

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witness Royce Clayton acknowledged in deposition and on the stand

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that he cannot say with certainty that Scott Erickson used

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the word racing in their phone call the night of

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the crash, though he stands by his account of the speed,

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the swerve, and the rear view mirror description in w

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I versus Dykeman, the trial is ongoing and the defense

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has not yet presented its case in chief. The defense's

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position is that the abuse that killed Alexa via Pedron

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came from his father, Derek Pedron, and not from Josie Dyckman.

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In fl versus Stein, the prosecution has rested, but the

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defense case is in progress, and Thomas Stein has only

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just begun his testimony as of Friday. We will follow

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each of these as they develop. If you or someone

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you know is in crisis, the nine to eight to

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eight Suicide and Crisis Lifeline is available. In the United States,

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the National Domestic Violence Hotline is one eight hundred and

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seven nine ninety seven, two three three