April 21, 2026
LIVER INSTEAD OF SPLEEN: FL SURGEON CHARGED, SIGN'S 'SUICIDE' UNRAVELS, KAREN READ HIT WITH LAWSUIT
A surgeon who took out the wrong organ. An anchor's death his family never accepted. And four witnesses finally firing back at Karen Reed.
A Florida surgeon is indicted for manslaughter after allegedly removing a seventy-year-old patient's liver instead of his spleen — and his lawyer says it's not the first wrong organ he's pulled out. Nearly five years after Birmingham anchor Christopher Sign was found hanged in his home office, his family still refuses to accept the suicide ruling — no full autopsy, a forty-eight-hour cremation, a widow who allegedly told his sister 'this was a terrible mistake.' And four witnesses from the Karen Reed trials just sued Reed and the blogger Turtleboy for defamation. Garret Fisher breaks down three stories where the official version isn't holding.
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A Florida surgeon is indicted for manslaughter after allegedly removing a seventy-year-old patient's liver instead of his spleen — and his lawyer says it's not the first wrong organ he's pulled out. Nearly five years after Birmingham anchor Christopher Sign was found hanged in his home office, his family still refuses to accept the suicide ruling — no full autopsy, a forty-eight-hour cremation, a widow who allegedly told his sister 'this was a terrible mistake.' And four witnesses from the Karen Reed trials just sued Reed and the blogger Turtleboy for defamation. Garret Fisher breaks down three stories where the official version isn't holding.
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You'll get exclusive behind-the-scenes content, breaking news updates on cases we're covering, and early alerts when new episodes drop. Our social media is where Garret Fisher's hottest takes live, including reactions that don't make it into the show.
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Kalaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Garrett Fisher. It's Tuesday,
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April twenty first, twenty twenty six. This is Daily Crime
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and Justice. Three stories today and a theme running through
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all of them. The official version isn't holding. A surgeon
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in the Florida Panhandle reaches into a patient's abdomen for
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what was supposed to be a routine spleen removal and
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comes out with, according to the indictment, the liver, not
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the spleen, the liver, which is on the other side
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of the body, which is about four times larger than
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the spleen, which has so many vessel connections that, to
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quote the attorney now representing the family, you can't accidentally
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take out somebody's liver. You have to actively dissect it
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loose that patient, a seventy year old Navy veteran named
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William Bryan, bled to death on the operating table. His widow, Beverly,
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was told he died from a ruptured spleen. She only
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learned the truth from the autopsy. Last week, a Walton
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County grand jury indicted doctor Thomas Shaknovsky on second degree manslaughter.
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He's out on seventy five thousand dollars. Bond and the
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lawyer for Brian's family says, this isn't the first time
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Shaknovsky has taken out the wrong organ. Second story, and
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this one you have to hold carefully because there's a
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lot of noise around it. Christopher Sign. If that name
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doesn't ring a bell, it should. Back in twenty sixteen,
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Sign was an anchor in Phoenix when he broke what
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was at that moment one of the biggest political stories
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of the election, Bill Clinton, walking across a tarmac and
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having a private meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch at
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the exact moment her Justice Department was investigating Hillary Clinton's emails.
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Sign told everyone, his wife, his friends, his colleagues, the
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readers of his twenty twenty book, that he had received
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death threats, that he was teaching his three young sons
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secret code words, and that if anything ever happened to him,
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he was not suicidal. On June twelfth, twenty twenty one,
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he was found hanged in his home office. The death
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was ruled a suicide within hours, no full autopsy. His
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body was cremated within forty eight hours without his family
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being consulted. Nearly five years later, his mother hasn't seen
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her grandchildren. His brother is furious, and his older sister
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says the widow called her in twenty twenty three saying, quote,
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this was a terrible, terrible mistake un quote. We're going
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to walk through this one carefully, and finally, Karen Reid.
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Two criminal trials, one hung jury, one acquittal, and apparently
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the legal phase of this case is nowhere near. Over
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four of the people who testified against Reed filed a
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defamation lawsuit last Thursday in Barnstable Superior Court. They say
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read and the blogger Aiden Kearney, known online as Turtle Boy,
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ran a coordinated multi year campaign to falsely accuse them
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of killing John O'Keeffe and covering it up. Reid's side
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is calling it desperation on a page. Kearney's lawyer is
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basically saying, bring it on. We'll prove our case in
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civil court. The truth may finally have to come out
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under oath three stories. Let's start with the operating room,
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August twenty first, twenty twenty four, Miramar Beach, Florida, Ascension,
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Sacred Heart, Emerald Coast Hospital. William Bryan, seventy years old,
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a Navy veteran from Muscle Shoals, Alabama, is being wheeled
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into an operating room for a hand assisted laparoscopic splenectomy
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removal of the spleen. Here's what you need to know
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about how he got to that operating room. Brian and
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his wife, Beverly married a long time own a rental
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property in Okaloosa County, and they were visiting when Bill
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started having sharp pain on his left side. They go
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to the hospit they're admitted for evaluation of what doctors
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think is a spleen abnormality. Brian doesn't want surgery in Florida.
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He wants to go home. Muscle Shoals is about a
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five hour drive. He wants to be seen by doctors
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he knows. That is what he tells his wife, and
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that is what the records reflect. According to the family's attorney,
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a Pensacola lawyer named Joe Zarzar, two doctors at Ascension
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Sacred Heart pressured Brian to stay. Doctor Thomas Shechnovsky, the
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general surgeon, and doctor Christopher Bokani, the hospital's chief medical officer,
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both reportedly told the family that if Brian left, he
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could face serious complications. So Brian stayed. And on August
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twenty first, he went in for the procedure. And now
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here's where it gets and I'm choosing my words very carefully,
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impossible to explain as an accident. The spleen is on
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the left side of the abdomen, near the stomach. It's
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about the size of a clenched fist. The livers on
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the right side of the abdomen. It's the largest internal
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organ in the human body, roughly four times the size
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of the spleen. The liver has multiple major vascular connections,
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the hepatic artery, the portal vein, the hepatic veins, the
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bile duct, all of which have to be actively dissected
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loose before the organ can be removed. That's not my analysis,
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that's the attorney for the family, Joe Zarzar, who said publicly, quote,
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you can't accidentally take out somebody's liver because it has
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so many different connection points that nobody, not even a
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brand new surgeon, would not know they're taking out the
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liver unquote. What the Florida Surgeon General found in an
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emergency licensed suspension order filed in September of twenty twenty
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four was this during the procedure Brian began hemorrhaging. Staff
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called a code and began emergency resuscitation. Shachnowski completed the procedure.
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Then he placed a quoteute readily identifiable liver unquote on
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the surgical table, and he told the operating room staff
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it was the spleen, which it was not. The staff,
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according to the Florida Surgeon General's own order, were shocked.
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Brian bled out on the table. He died in that
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operating room. And then here's the part that I want
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you to sit with. Shacknofsky's operative report, the official document
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that describes what happened in the surgery, never mentions the liver.
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The word liver does not appear. The report says, quote
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the spleen was exposed noted to be severely deformed unquote,
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and that it was quote quite friable, and certainly the
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large side made the dissection challenging unquote. Look, I'm going
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to be honest with you. A deformed, friable spleen is
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not a liver. A liver is a liver. You know
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what you're looking at when you're holding it. And Beverly Bryan,
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the widow, was told by the surgeon that her husband
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had died because of bleeding from a ruptured spleen. She
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believed that she went home and buried her husband, believing
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his spleen had ruptured. She only learned the truth that
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her husband's liver had been removed and that his spleen
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was still inside him when the autopsy came back. She
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later said, and I'm quoting her here. When I tell
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people what happened, it still sounds too awful to be true,
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that that could happen. I still have trouble believing it
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happened myself. Can you imagine? No, I cannot imagine. Nobody
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can imagine. That is the point. So here's what happens next.
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The Florida Surgeon General suspends Shechnovsky's license on an emergency basis.
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In September of twenty twenty four, the Alabama Medical Licensure Commission,
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where he was also licensed, revokes his license that same year.
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Beverly Brian files a civil malpractice law suit in early
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twenty twenty five. That case has been moving through the courts. Then,
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last Monday, April thirteenth, twenty twenty six, the Walton County
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Sheriff's Office arrests Shachnowsky and Miramar Beach and transports him
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to the Walton County Jail. The day before, a grand
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jury handed down a single count of second degree manslaughter.
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He appeared in court Tuesday, posted seventy five thousand dollars bond,
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and walked out. He's due back in court May nineteenth,
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seventy five thousand dollars. Let me walk you through this.
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A man is dead. The State Medical Board has already said,
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in writing in an emergency order that the surgeon committed
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quote repeated egregious surgical errors unquote. And also, and this
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is actually maybe the bigger line engaged in quote egregious
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conduct fabricating medical records unquote. And the bond is seventy
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five thousand. That's what they said it at for a
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doctor who, according to the state's owned findings, killed a
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patient and then documented the wrong cause of death. Now
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here's the part that puts it over the line for me.
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According to the Florida Department of Health report and Zarzar's
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own statements, this is not the first wrong organ surgery
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Shaknovsky has been accused of. In May of twenty twenty three,
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more than a year before Brian died, Seknovsky allegedly removed
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a portion of another patient's pancreas when the intended surgery
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was an adrenal gland resection. Different organs, different locations, different operation,
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and he kept his privileges, kept operating. And then in
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August of twenty twenty four, Bill Brian walked into that
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hospital with left side pain. And a year later he's
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in the ground, and his widow is finding out from
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an autopsy that her husband didn't have the injury she'd
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been told he died of. There's one more thing, and
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this one, this one, I want somebody with subpoena power
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to answer Tsarzar. The attorney has said publicly that Shaknovsky
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may still be treating patients through the US military system.
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His words, and I'm quoting here, the military system is
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not tied to any particular state, and I guess he
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has figured out a way to continue practicing medicine and
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not disclose what's going on in his civilian life. Unquote. Now,
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we have not been able to independently confirm what Shaknovsky's
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current military contract status is. Somebody needs to the claim
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that Shaknovsky may still be treating military patients comes from
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the Bryan family's attorney, Joe Tsarzar, we have not independently
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verified his current military affiliation. Beverly Brian said something last
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week after the indictment that has stuck with me. She said, quote,
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he would want his death to prevent someone else from
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being hurt, which is what I think the criminal charges
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being brought will do. If we had to suffer through
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this and he had to die, then at least no
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one else will be hurt by this man. Now unquote.
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That is a widow trying to find meaning in something
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that has no meaning. That is a woman trying to
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turn a dead husband into a firewall for somebody else's husband,
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and she shouldn't have to. That is the job of
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a hospital. That is the job of a credentialing board.
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That is the job of a chief medical officer, who,
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in this case, by the way, was allegedly one of
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the two doctors who pressured Bill Bryan to stay at
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that hospital when he wanted to drive home to Alabama.
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May nineteenth is the next hearing we'll be watching. Okay,
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this next story is going to require us both to
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slow down. Christopher sign forty five years old at the
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time of his death, a television anchor in Birmingham, Alabama
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before that, an anchor in Phoenix before that, a University
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of Alabama football player aligneman six foot one, two hundred
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and fifteen pounds, three young sons, a wife he'd known
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since college, a book deal, a father's day the following week,
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a vacation plan, birthday parties on the calendar for all
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three boys, pads and helmet football starting for his sons,
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a baseball game the next day with a friend from Tennessee.
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And in twenty sixteen, while working at ABC fifteen in Phoenix,
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Christopher Sign broke a story that, whatever you think about
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the politics of it, was undeniably one of the biggest
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scoops of that election cycle. He was the reporter who
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revealed that former President Bill Clinton had walked across a
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private airport tarmac in Phoenix and boarded the plane of
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then Attorney General Loretta Lynch for an unscheduled private meeting.
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At the exact moment, Lynch's Justice Department was actively investigating
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whether Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server had
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been a crime. Both Clinton and Lynch said publicly it
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was a chance encounter, a social conversation, small talk about grandchildren.
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The revelation of the meeting set off a political firestorm,
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prompted Lynch to pledge she'd accept whatever the FBI and
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career prosecutors recommended on the Clinton email case, and it
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put Christopher Sign on the map as a serious reporter.
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It also, according to Sign himself, on the record for years,
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put him in fear for his life. Sign told friends
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and colleagues he was getting death threats. He went on
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Fox and Friends and said he had taught his three
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young sons secret code words so they would know when
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to hide and who to trust. And in his twenty
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twenty book called Secret on the Tarmac, he put it
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in writing. The sentence quoted in the Daily Mail and
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in coverage at the time reads quote, I made it
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clear in front of my wife that I was not suicidal.
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We all laughed, but deep down knew it was serious. Unquote.
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On the morning of June twelfth, twenty twenty one, in
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his home in Hoover, Alabama, a suburb of Birmingham, Christopher
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Sign was found hanging from the door of his home
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office by his wife and by his eldest son. That
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is the fact that happened. A man who told everyone
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including in the pages of a published book that if
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anything happened to him, it would not be by his
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own hand. Was found dead in what the Jefferson County
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Coroner ruled within hours a suicide. Here is where I
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have to be very careful with you, because the moment
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Christopher Sign died, the conspiracy theory machine spun up Alex Jones,
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Dan Bongino, then Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, Charlie Kirk. A Facebook
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group called Justice for Christopher Sign filled up with posts
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calling him the latest victim of the so called Clinton
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body count, a conspiracy theory that has for decades attributed
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any number of deaths of Clinton associates to the Clintons.
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There is no evidence that Clinton's had anything to do
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with Christopher Sign's death. The Clintons have never been charged.
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There's no credible investigation pointing to them. I am telling
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you that not to litigate whether you believe it or don't.
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I'm telling you that because the conspiracy theory noise around
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this case has, in my view, actually made it harder
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for reasonable people to ask reasonable questions about the official investigation.
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And the official investigation has some real problems. So let's
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separate those two things and look at what the family
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is actually saying, not what the internet is saying. The
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Daily Mail published this week a long piece with extensive
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interviews with Christopher Sign's mother, his older brother, his older sister,
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his college football teammate Josh Swords, who went on to
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