Lindsay Clancy Trial: the Courtroom Cleared Twice, Luigi Mangione's Surprise Federal Hearing, Tiffany Haddish Pleads Guilty to DUI

0:03 Caalaroga Shark Media. Good morning. This is Daily Crime and Justice from Calaroga Shark Media, powered by AI. I'm Garrett Fisher. Friday, August fourteenth, twenty twenty six. Before anything else, there are a lot of you here this week who weren't here last week. Our Lindsay Clancy coverage has found an audience, and I know how most of you got here because it wasn't an algorithm. Somebody sent it to you, a friend, a coworker, your sister, somebody in a group chat. That's the only marketing this show has ever had, and it's the only kind I want. So welcome. Thank you for taking a chance on us, and to the people who did the sending, thank you you built this Now Wednesday, there is a sound that happened in Plymouth Superior Court on Wednesday afternoon that I have been thinking about for two days, and I wasn't in the room. A forensic pathologist named doctor Barbara Olsen was on the stand describing the external examination of the body of a five year old girl, Cora Clancy, and her mother, sitting in a wheelchair at the defense table, started crying so loudly that the reporters in that room could not hear the witness.

1:15 The judge cleared the courtroom. Lindsey Clancy was wheeled out. What people heard as she went was four words, I can't do this, and here's the thing about that sentence, and I want to be careful because this is a trial, and I don't get to tell you what it means. She has a constitutional right to be in that room for every minute of her trial. She can also wave it and leave. She stayed. Whatever else is true, that woman sat in a courtroom and listened to two doctors describe in clinical detail what she did to her own children. Some of the jurors cried, people in the gallery walked out, choked up. It happened twice inside thirty minutes. Today, the full account of the hardest day of this trial, plus a prosecution theory that came out sideways, and maybe the single most important thing that's happened all week. Then New York, where Luigi Mangoni's lawyers and federal prosecutors jointly asked a judge for a hearing that is happening this morning, and neither side will say what it's about. Everyone thinks they know, and then to send you into the weekend a Georgia courtroom where Tiffany Hattish spent four years fighting a dui charge and then pleaded guilty over zoom while doing crowd work with the judge. I'm Garrett Fisher. This is Daily Crime and Justice Court. Clancy was five, Dawson Clancy was three, Callan Clancy was eight months old. They were strangled with exercise bands in the basement of their home in Duxbury, Massachusetts, on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. Their mother has

2:46 admitted she did it. She has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first degree murder on the ground that she was not criminally responsible and she is presumed innocent. Wednesday was Day twelve, and it started with a state trooper. Sergeant Daniel Lawler of the Massachusetts State Police was the evidence officer at the Duxbury house. He testified about the search warrant. Clancy's clothing came into evidence, a black stained tank top, jeans, a bra held up for the jury to see. Then Lawler testified that he was sent to Brigham and Women's Hospital where Lindsay Clancy was being treated after the fall, and he said he watched a psychiatrist go into her room. He stayed outside. If there was a conversation in there, he didn't hear it. And that's when Kevin Reddington did something deliberate. He named the psychiatrist, doctor Paul Zizel from Newton, and he established that he Reddington had arranged that visit and had needed a court order to get the doctor into the room. Then he asked the trooper, this isn't it the Commonwealth's contention that doctor Ziesel told Lindsay to claim she heard voices. Instant sidebar Judge Sullivan sent the jury out. What came out during the voir dier that followed, is this at the hospital, Lindsay Clancy used the psychologist's cell phone to call her husband, Patrick and told him she had heard voices on the night the children died. Patrick told the state police about that call. He told the grand jury about it, and the prosecution's theory, which Lawler said he learned later from the lead investigator, is that the doctor put the idea

4:19 in her head. Then Reddington asked the question he was actually there to ask this was speculation, and Sergeant Lawler said correct. On redirect, Lawler said again that he never heard the conversation. Now, let me tell you why this matters more than the autopsy testimony that followed it. Even though the autopsy testimony is what made the news, this entire trial turns on whether Lindsey Clancy heard a voice. That is the insanity defense. She says a voice told her it was her last chance and instructed her to kill her children and herself. If the jury believes she experienced that, she goes to a state hospital. If they belie if she made it up, she dies in prison.

5:02 And the Commonwealth has a theory that the voice was invented, and specifically that a defense arranged psychiatrist planted it days after the killings in a hospital room. That is a serious allegation. It accuses a physician of coaching a murder defendant into a false psychiatric claim. It's not just about Lindsey Clancy. It's about a doctor's license and a lawyer's judgment. So watch what Reddington did. He didn't wait to be hit with it. He dragged it into the open himself through a state trooper, and then made that trooper agree on the record that it was speculation that the one witness in position to know what was said in that room heard nothing. Look, I'm gonna be honest with you.

5:45 That is good lawyering. You take the ugliest thing the other side has, you say it out loud yourself, and you make their own witness call it a guess. But here's what it also tells you. The Commonwealth is going to argue this. They may not have said it in an opening statement. They may put it in front of the jury only through inference, but it's there, and now everybody in that room knows it's there. And I'll give you the honest picture because there are two ways to read that phone call, and the jury will get both. The state's version, a woman who has just killed her three children is visited by a psychiatrist her lawyer sent, and immediately afterward calls her husband to say she heard voices.

6:27 That sequence is convenient. That's their argument. The defense version, a woman in a hospital bed, paralyzed days after the worst thing a human being can do, finally gets a psychiatrist in the room and for the first time tells somebody what actually happened to her, and then calls her husband and tells him too. Those are the same facts. That is what a trial is after Lawler came Letitia Dukes, a mental health counselor at the perinatal clinic at South Shore Hospital who saw Lindsey Clancy four times. She met her on December second. In per Clancy presented with lack of sleep, depression symptoms, and what Dukes described as frequent suicidal ideation, wanting to die, not wanting to be here anymore, but no plan. Duke's was clear that if there had been a plan, she'd have escalated to crisis support. Dukes diagnosed her with postpartum anxiety. Her notes from December second record that Clancy was worried something bad might happen to her children, especially the baby. On December fifth, Clancy told her she'd had intrusive thoughts about wanting to die over the weekend, continuous thoughts of not wanting to be here.

7:39 The prosecutor walked Dukes through the checklist. Did you ever see signs of mania, no delusions, paranoia, no psychosis, no. Dukes recommended a higher level of care the postpartum program at Women and Infants Hospital in Providence, Rhode Island, and then on Cross Reddington delivered what I think is the most damaging fact of the entire week. Lindsey Clancy went to Women in Infants on December twentieth, and she was turned away. Reddington asked Dukes whether it would surprise her to learn that they didn't treat her because she was over medicated. Dukes said it would surprise her. So follow the chain. Four different providers recommend a partial hospitalization program.

8:23 She finally gets to the one place with the specialized care, and by the account the defense put in front of that jury, they wouldn't take her because of the medications the other providers had put her on. Reddington also asked whether Women and Infants had reached out to Nurse Jalata that same day to discuss the medications and never heard back. Dukes wasn't aware of that either, and that lands on top of something from Tuesday. I want to connect for you because separately these are details and together they're a pattern under cross. Rebecca Jelatta acknowledged she had never conquer atacted Clancy's other providers or requested her records, despite knowing she was under the care of another psychiatrist. She also acknowledged she never contacted Clancy again after she went into mclin.

9:13 Doctor Tuff said essentially the same thing on Monday and blamed medical privacy law. So here is the picture. This jury now has a psychiatrist writing half the prescriptions who didn't have the perinatal clinics records, a nurse practitioner at the perinatal clinic who didn't have the psychiatrist's records, a specialty program in another state that couldn't get a callback, and a patient in the middle of it, on ten or more medications being asked at every appointment to report her own symptoms accurately while she could not sleep. That's not one person failing. That's four boxes that never got connected, and the only wire between them was a woman who was falling apart. Then he asked her one last thing, bottom line. When you last saw her on December nineteenth, she appeared sincere look for help, hurting, turning in every direction for help. Duke said, yes on redirect, the state got its counter and it's a real one. At that last visit, Duke said, Clancy appeared to be getting better, exercising, spending time with family, able to smile and laugh, improve, sleep more engaged. Reddington came back and asked when exactly she was laughing given that she'd reported feeling numb the same day, nobody was paying attention to her. That's the defense's whole case. And Wednesday a woman turned away from the one program that might have helped her five weeks before she killed her children. Made it sound less like an argument and more like a description. We'll be right back Wednesday afternoon in Plymouth, the prosecution turned to the children.

10:59 I'm going to handle this carefully. You don't need the clinical details, and I'm not going to give them to you. What you need to know is what that room went through. Doctor Renee Stonebridge, director of cardiac and neuropathology at the State Chief Medical Examiner's Office, testified. First, she examined all three children. She explained that in deaths of children under two, she examines the brain and spinal cord. She testified about what she found in Callan's brain and about hemorrhaging in the eyes of both older children, and she said the damage was consistent with strangulation. Bob Ward of Boston twenty five, who has been in that courtroom every day, wrote that the jury was paying very close attention and that none of them appeared emotional during stone Bridge's testimony. He called it difficult testimony. He wasn't wrong. Then doctor Barbara Olson took the stand. She performed the autopsies on Cora and on Dawson, and that's when it came apart. Clancy was quietly crying before Olson was even called. During the description of Cora's external examination, she was sobbing loudly enough that reporters couldn't hear the witness. The judge cleared the court room, she was wheeled out. Court came back. It happened again.

12:10 Her father was in the gallery with his head bowed. Reddington had a hand on her shoulder, whispering to her, and at one point pulled her into his side and rubbed her back while she sobbed into her hands. Some of the jurors cried when they saw the autopsy photographs of Cora and Dawson. People in the gallery left the room in tears. Judge Sullivan ordered the photos impounded so they will not be publicly released, which is the right call, and I'm glad he made it. Olson finished, Reddington did not cross examine her, not one question. That's a choice, and it's the correct one. There is nothing to fight about. Nobody disputes how those children died. The defense case has never been that it didn't happen. Standing up to question that witness would only have kept the jury there longer.

12:57 Court ended around four It zooms this morning, and the reporting is that the prosecution is close to resting, with the judge saying the trial is on or ahead of schedule, which means the defense case, the one we've been waiting three weeks for, is about to start. Now to New York at eleven o'clock this morning, while a lot of you are listening to this, Luigi Mangoni is due in federal court in Manhattan for a hearing that nobody will explain. Here's the sequence. On Tuesday, Mangoni was in state court in Manhattan for a pre trial appearance, where the judge ruled that the jury in his state murder trial will be anonymous given the profile of the case. Hours after that hearing, a one page letter landed on the federal docket.

13:43 Justice Department prosecutors and Mangione's defense team jointly asked Judge Margaret Garnett for a conference. The letter says the party's right jointly to request a conference with the court, and that based on communications with Chambers. They understood the judge was available Friday at eleven. That's it. That's the whole letter. No stated purpose. Sources familiar with the discussions have told ABC News, CNN and others that PLEA negotiations are underway and that the conference is expected to touch on a deal. Cnn' sources also cautioned that talks are fluid and may not produce anything. So let me tell you what's actually at stake, because this is not a small thing. Brian Thompson was fifty years old. He was the chief executive of United Healthcare, and on December fourth, twenty twenty four, he was shot in the back on a Manhattan sidewalk while walking to an investor conference. He had a family.

14:39 Whatever anybody thinks about American health insurance, and I have said plenty on this show about what that industry does to people, none of it is a reason a man gets shot in the back on the street. Manjoni twenty eight has pleaded not guilty in both cases and is presumed innocent in both. The federal case was supposed to be the big one. The Justice Department charged him with murder and sought the death penalty. Then in January, Judge Garnett dismissed the federal murder count as technically flawed, which took the death penalty off the table. What's left federally is stalking resulting in death, which still carries up to life. The state case is second degree murder and weapons charges twenty five to life. Jury selection is set for September eighth.

15:25 The federal trial isn't until January of twenty twenty seven. And here's the machinery, which is genuinely unusual. Under New York state law, double jeopardy can attach when a prior prosecution for the same conduct ends in a guilty plea. Federal and state governments are normally separate sovereigns and can both prosecute, but New York's own statute is more protective than the federal constitution requires. So if Mangioni pleads guilty in federal court, and if it's structured the right way, his lawyers can move to dismiss the New York murder case on double jeopardy grounds, and the September eighth trial doesn't happen. He apparently understood this a long time ago at a hearing in February, after the state judge said he wanted to go to trial, Mangioni was overheard saying one plus one is two and then double jeopardy by any common sense definition. Manhattan prosecutors saw this coming too.

16:20 In July, Assistant District Attorney Joel Seideman filed a letter with the state judge acknowledging public reporting about a possible federal plea and signaling that if a federal deal is being used to dodge a just outcome in the state case, the state would want to be heard about it in federal court. That's the fight. A federal plea could collapse the state murder prosecution entirely, and that's why a man who was facing execution eight months ago might walk out of a federal courtroom with a deal that means he could someday get out. Now. I have no idea what's going to happen at eleven o'clock. Neither does anybody else who's honest. Plea conferences get scheduled and produce nothing. Talks fall apart. This same defense team and these same prosecutors had plea discussions in June that went nowhere, but the two sides went to a judge together. That's not nothing.

17:12 And I want to name the thing that makes this case different from every other one we cover, because it's going to be all over your feed by tonight. There is a constituency in this country that treats Luigi Mangone as a folk hero. They show up at his court dates, they raise money, and if he gets a deal today, some of them will celebrate it. I understand where that comes from. I've spent years on this show talking about what insurance companies do to sick people, about claim denials and prior authorizations and families going bankrupt because somebody in an office decided a treatment wasn't necessary. That anger is real and it is earned. It is also not a defense.

17:53 A man was shot in the back on a sidewalk. He had children. Whatever you think about the industry he worked in, nobody voted to make him die for it. And a country where private citizens execute executives they've decided are guilty is not a country with less suffering in it. It's one with more accountability. Doesn't have a legal department. It also doesn't come out of a gun. On fifty fourth Street, Brian Thompson was fifty years old. Someone has to say his name, and almost nobody does anymore. We'll have the hearing Monday. More in a moment, Fayette County, Georgia, and something lighter mostly On Tuesday, Tiffany Hattish pleaded guilty to driving under the influence, ending a case that had been sitting on a docket for four and a half years.

18:46 The arrest was January fourteenth, twenty twenty two, in Peachtree City, about thirty miles south of Atlanta. Around two thirty in the morning, somebody called nine to one one to report a driver asleep at the wheel of a white Ford Explorer at a traffic light. Other drivers were leaning on their horns trying to get the car to move. An officer spotted the vehicle and stopped her as she pulled into the yard of a house. She was charged with DUI failure to obey a traffic control device, improperly stopping on a roadway, and a parking violation. She posted bond and was out of the Fayette County jail within hours. Then the case just sat there, continuances leaves of absence motions from both sides four and a half years. This past May, her attorneys moved to dismiss on speedy trial grounds, arguing the delay violated her constitutional rights and had cost her personally and professionally. Judge Jason Thompson denied it. He found her side had asked for some of the delays, waited too long to assert the right, and hadn't shown specific lost work or demonstrable financial harm. So trial was set for Tuesday, and instead she appeared by video and took a deal. And this is where it becomes a comedy special. The judge ran the standard plea colloquy and she treated it like a set asked whether she'd had enough time with her attorneys, she came back with an enthusiastic oh yeah. When he read her rights, she told the court she'd like to fuss about it a little, but that after four years, she'd rather get out of

20:18 his hair and take her hair off, so she was going to go ahead and agree. When Thompson asked whether she formally wanted to change her plea, Court TV reported she paused for dramatic effect before answering, then sure, And when the judge, doing his job properly offered her more time to consult with her lawyers, she declined. On the grounds that it was too expensive and she'd already spent enough on this case. She pleaded guilty to DUI less safe. The other charges were dropped. Twelve months probation, twenty four hours in jail with credit for time served, so no additional time. Her Georgia license is suspended. She has to stay off drugs and alcohol, submit to testing, complete a substance abuse e valuation, and a DUI course. When she learned the license suspension applied only in Georgia, she was audibly relieved, said she had no plans to be there anytime soon, and observed that the state clearly wanted her gone.

21:15 Thompson closed the hearing by telling her he'd keep watching for her in the movies because his kids love them. Court TV also reported she's required to do forty hours of community service and is already arranged to do it as advocacy work for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office. She said that's why she wanted this done, that it's going to change lives, and she's excited about it. Now here's where I'm going to stop laughing for about ninety seconds, and then we'll go into the weekend. Somebody called nine one one at two point thirty in the morning because a car with a driver asleep in it was stopped at a light on a highway with other drivers honking at it. That's how this started. Everybody in that intersection got lucky, every single one of them. And this wasn't the only one. In November of twenty twenty three, Hattish was arrested again in Beverly Hills after police said she appeared slumped over the wheel. She pleaded no contest to a vehicle code violation in February of twenty twenty four, and two misdemeanor DUI charges were dropped. So that's twice, two separate times in two states. Police found a car with her in the driver's seat and she wasn't in a condition to be driving. I'm not gonna sit here and moralize at a woman who has been open about a hard life and harder years. I've got no interest in that, and honestly, she's been more honest and public about her struggles than most people ever are. But this show says the victim's name every single day, and the reason there's no name in this segment is luck. That's the only reason a drunk driver kills somebody in this

22:46 country roughly every forty five minutes, and none of those cases start out looking like a tragedy either. They start out looking exactly like this, a car in the wrong place, somebody who thought they were fine. The forty hours of advocacy work is genuinely a good outcome if she does it and means it. Somebody with her platform telling people what a night in Fayette County jail cost you four years later is worth more than the fine. So I hope she does it, and I hope this is the last time her name shows up on this show. Do better. Closing three stories. Today in Plymouth, juror saw autopsy photographs of Cora and Dawson Clancy and heard from two medical examiners.

23:32 The courtroom was cleared twice as Lindsay Clancy sobbed. Earlier that day, Kevin Reddington forced into the open a prosecution theory that a defense arranged psychiatrist coached his client into claiming she heard voices and got a state trooper to agree on the record that it was speculation. A counselor testified that Clancy was turned away from a Rhode Island postpartum program on December twentieth. Clancy has pleaded not guilty and is presumed innocent. The Commonwealth may rest today in Manhattan. Luigi Manjon is due before Judge Margaret Garnett at eleven this morning for a conference that both sides requested and neither side has explained. Reporting suggests plea talks. He has pleaded not guilty in both his federal and state cases and is presumed innocent. Brian Thompson was fifty years old and in Georgia, Tiffany Hattish pleaded guilty to DUI less Safe four and a half years after her arrest, twelve months probation, no additional jail. One more time to the people who found this show this week, I'm glad you're here.

24:32 If it was worth your time, do the thing that got you here, send it to one person, and if you're listening on Spotify, drop a comment. I want to hear what you make of that hospital room phone call, because I've gone back and forth on it twice while writing this Monday. The MANGIONI hearing whatever The Clancy defense opens with and opening statements in the Tupac Shakur murder trial in Las Vegas. I'm Garrett Fisher. This is Daily Crime and Justice from Calarugush Media. Have a good weekend. Disclaimer. This program covers active criminal proceedings and is based on court testimony, court filings, and reporting available at the time of recording. Lindsay Clancy has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first degree murder and is presumed innocence. She has acknowledged causing her children's deaths and asserts she was not criminally responsible. Luigi Mangioni has pleaded not guilty to all federal and state charges and is presumed innocent. No jury has ruled in either matter. Regarding the Clancy trial, the characterization of a prosecution theory that a physician suggested Lindsay Clancy claim to have heard voices was raised by defense counsel during cross examination, and Vardier, the witness, testified he did not hear the conversation in question and agreed the theory was speculation. Doctor Paul Zeisel has not testified, has not been accused of wrongdoing by any authority, and no finding has been made about that hospital visit. Assertions that Women and Infant's Hospital declined to treat Clancy because

26:04 she was over medicated, were put to a witness by defense counsel. That witness said the claim would surprise her and did not confirm it. Questions from attorneys are not evident. Outlets continue to differ on callan. Clancy's age at death reported as seven to eight months. Several treating providers, including doctor Jennifer Tufts and Rebecca Jolatta, are named defendants, and civil suits filed over Clancy's care. Reporting indicates a joint motion to dismiss those claims has been filed, and the providers deny wrongdoing. Nothing here is a finding about any provider's care. Some details of Tuesday's testimony described in tabloid coverage, including an account of a witness laughing on the stand, were not corroborated by wire or local broadcast reporting and are not relied on here. Regarding Luigi Mangione, the hearing scheduled for this morning was requested jointly by the parties in a letter that stated no purpose. Reporting that PLEA negotiations are underway is attributed to anonymous sources by ABC News, CNN and other outlets, and those outlets caution that talks may not produce an agreement. No plea has been entered.

27:15 This episode was recorded before that hearing took place. Analysis of New York's Double Jeopardy statute reflects published commentary from attorneys not involved in the case regarding Tiffany Hattish. Sources differ on the terms of the disposition. Court TV reports a requirement of forty hours of community service arranged through the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office. Other outlets describe probation conditions, including a substance abuse evaluation, DUI school, and testing, without specifying community service hours. Accounts also vary as to whether the underlying impairment was alcohol related, cannabis related, or both. This episode discusses postpartum mental illness, suicide, and the deaths of children. If you are struggling with most part of mood symptoms, the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline is free, confidential and available around the clock. Call or text one eight three three t l CMA m A. If you are having thoughts of suicide, call or text nine eight eight to reach the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline.