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Caalaroga Shark Media. Good morning. This is Daily Crime and
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Justice from Calaroga Shark Media, powered by AI. I'm Garrett Fisher. Friday,
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August fourteenth, twenty twenty six. Before anything else, there are
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a lot of you here this week who weren't here
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last week. Our Lindsay Clancy coverage has found an audience,
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and I know how most of you got here because
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it wasn't an algorithm. Somebody sent it to you, a friend,
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a coworker, your sister, somebody in a group chat. That's
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the only marketing this show has ever had, and it's
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the only kind I want. So welcome. Thank you for
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taking a chance on us, and to the people who
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did the sending, thank you you built this Now Wednesday,
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there is a sound that happened in Plymouth Superior Court
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on Wednesday afternoon that I have been thinking about for
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two days, and I wasn't in the room. A forensic
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pathologist named doctor Barbara Olsen was on the stand describing
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the external examination of the body of a five year
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old girl, Cora Clancy, and her mother, sitting in a
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wheelchair at the defense table, started crying so loudly that
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the reporters in that room could not hear the witness.
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The judge cleared the courtroom. Lindsey Clancy was wheeled out.
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What people heard as she went was four words, I
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can't do this, and here's the thing about that sentence,
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and I want to be careful because this is a trial,
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and I don't get to tell you what it means.
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She has a constitutional right to be in that room
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for every minute of her trial. She can also wave
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it and leave. She stayed. Whatever else is true, that
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woman sat in a courtroom and listened to two doctors
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describe in clinical detail what she did to her own children.
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Some of the jurors cried, people in the gallery walked out,
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choked up. It happened twice inside thirty minutes. Today, the
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full account of the hardest day of this trial, plus
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a prosecution theory that came out sideways, and maybe the
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single most important thing that's happened all week. Then New York,
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where Luigi Mangoni's lawyers and federal prosecutors jointly asked a
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judge for a hearing that is happening this morning, and
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neither side will say what it's about. Everyone thinks they know,
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and then to send you into the weekend a Georgia
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courtroom where Tiffany Hattish spent four years fighting a dui
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charge and then pleaded guilty over zoom while doing crowd
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work with the judge. I'm Garrett Fisher. This is Daily
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Crime and Justice Court. Clancy was five, Dawson Clancy was three,
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Callan Clancy was eight months old. They were strangled with
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exercise bands in the basement of their home in Duxbury, Massachusetts,
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on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. Their mother has
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admitted she did it. She has pleaded not guilty to
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three counts of first degree murder on the ground that
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she was not criminally responsible and she is presumed innocent.
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Wednesday was Day twelve, and it started with a state trooper.
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Sergeant Daniel Lawler of the Massachusetts State Police was the
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evidence officer at the Duxbury house. He testified about the
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search warrant. Clancy's clothing came into evidence, a black stained
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tank top, jeans, a bra held up for the jury
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to see. Then Lawler testified that he was sent to
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Brigham and Women's Hospital where Lindsay Clancy was being treated
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after the fall, and he said he watched a psychiatrist
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go into her room. He stayed outside. If there was
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a conversation in there, he didn't hear it. And that's
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when Kevin Reddington did something deliberate. He named the psychiatrist,
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doctor Paul Zizel from Newton, and he established that he
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Reddington had arranged that visit and had needed a court
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order to get the doctor into the room. Then he
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asked the trooper, this isn't it the Commonwealth's contention that
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doctor Ziesel told Lindsay to claim she heard voices. Instant
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sidebar Judge Sullivan sent the jury out. What came out
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during the voir dier that followed, is this at the hospital,
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Lindsay Clancy used the psychologist's cell phone to call her husband,
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Patrick and told him she had heard voices on the
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night the children died. Patrick told the state police about
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that call. He told the grand jury about it, and
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the prosecution's theory, which Lawler said he learned later from
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the lead investigator, is that the doctor put the idea
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in her head. Then Reddington asked the question he was
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actually there to ask this was speculation, and Sergeant Lawler
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said correct. On redirect, Lawler said again that he never
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heard the conversation. Now, let me tell you why this
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matters more than the autopsy testimony that followed it. Even
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though the autopsy testimony is what made the news, this
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entire trial turns on whether Lindsey Clancy heard a voice.
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That is the insanity defense. She says a voice told
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her it was her last chance and instructed her to
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kill her children and herself. If the jury believes she
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experienced that, she goes to a state hospital. If they
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belie if she made it up, she dies in prison.
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And the Commonwealth has a theory that the voice was invented,
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and specifically that a defense arranged psychiatrist planted it days
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after the killings in a hospital room. That is a
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serious allegation. It accuses a physician of coaching a murder
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defendant into a false psychiatric claim. It's not just about
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Lindsey Clancy. It's about a doctor's license and a lawyer's judgment.
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So watch what Reddington did. He didn't wait to be
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hit with it. He dragged it into the open himself
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through a state trooper, and then made that trooper agree
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on the record that it was speculation that the one
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witness in position to know what was said in that
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room heard nothing. Look, I'm gonna be honest with you.
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That is good lawyering. You take the ugliest thing the
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other side has, you say it out loud yourself, and
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you make their own witness call it a guess. But
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here's what it also tells you. The Commonwealth is going
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to argue this. They may not have said it in
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an opening statement. They may put it in front of
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the jury only through inference, but it's there, and now
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everybody in that room knows it's there. And I'll give
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you the honest picture because there are two ways to
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read that phone call, and the jury will get both.
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The state's version, a woman who has just killed her
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three children is visited by a psychiatrist her lawyer sent,
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and immediately afterward calls her husband to say she heard voices.
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That sequence is convenient. That's their argument. The defense version,
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a woman in a hospital bed, paralyzed days after the
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worst thing a human being can do, finally gets a
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psychiatrist in the room and for the first time tells
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somebody what actually happened to her, and then calls her
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husband and tells him too. Those are the same facts.
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That is what a trial is after Lawler came Letitia Dukes,
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a mental health counselor at the perinatal clinic at South
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Shore Hospital who saw Lindsey Clancy four times. She met
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her on December second. In per Clancy presented with lack
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of sleep, depression symptoms, and what Dukes described as frequent
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suicidal ideation, wanting to die, not wanting to be here anymore,
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but no plan. Duke's was clear that if there had
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been a plan, she'd have escalated to crisis support. Dukes
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diagnosed her with postpartum anxiety. Her notes from December second
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record that Clancy was worried something bad might happen to
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her children, especially the baby. On December fifth, Clancy told
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her she'd had intrusive thoughts about wanting to die over
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the weekend, continuous thoughts of not wanting to be here.
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The prosecutor walked Dukes through the checklist. Did you ever
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see signs of mania, no delusions, paranoia, no psychosis, no.
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Dukes recommended a higher level of care the postpartum program
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at Women and Infants Hospital in Providence, Rhode Island, and
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then on Cross Reddington delivered what I think is the
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most damaging fact of the entire week. Lindsey Clancy went
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to Women in Infants on December twentieth, and she was
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turned away. Reddington asked Dukes whether it would surprise her
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to learn that they didn't treat her because she was
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over medicated. Dukes said it would surprise her. So follow
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the chain. Four different providers recommend a partial hospitalization program.
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She finally gets to the one place with the specialized care,
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and by the account the defense put in front of
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that jury, they wouldn't take her because of the medications
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the other providers had put her on. Reddington also asked
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whether Women and Infants had reached out to Nurse Jalata
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that same day to discuss the medications and never heard back.
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Dukes wasn't aware of that either, and that lands on
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top of something from Tuesday. I want to connect for
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you because separately these are details and together they're a
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pattern under cross. Rebecca Jelatta acknowledged she had never conquer
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atacted Clancy's other providers or requested her records, despite knowing
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she was under the care of another psychiatrist. She also
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acknowledged she never contacted Clancy again after she went into mclin.
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Doctor Tuff said essentially the same thing on Monday and
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blamed medical privacy law. So here is the picture. This
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jury now has a psychiatrist writing half the prescriptions who
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didn't have the perinatal clinics records, a nurse practitioner at
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the perinatal clinic who didn't have the psychiatrist's records, a
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specialty program in another state that couldn't get a callback,
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and a patient in the middle of it, on ten
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or more medications being asked at every appointment to report
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her own symptoms accurately while she could not sleep. That's
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not one person failing. That's four boxes that never got connected,
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and the only wire between them was a woman who
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was falling apart. Then he asked her one last thing,
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bottom line. When you last saw her on December nineteenth,
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she appeared sincere look for help, hurting, turning in every
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direction for help. Duke said, yes on redirect, the state
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got its counter and it's a real one. At that
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last visit, Duke said, Clancy appeared to be getting better, exercising,
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spending time with family, able to smile and laugh, improve,
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sleep more engaged. Reddington came back and asked when exactly
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she was laughing given that she'd reported feeling numb the
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same day, nobody was paying attention to her. That's the
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defense's whole case. And Wednesday a woman turned away from
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the one program that might have helped her five weeks
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before she killed her children. Made it sound less like
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an argument and more like a description. We'll be right
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back Wednesday afternoon in Plymouth, the prosecution turned to the children.
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I'm going to handle this carefully. You don't need the
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clinical details, and I'm not going to give them to you.
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What you need to know is what that room went through.
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Doctor Renee Stonebridge, director of cardiac and neuropathology at the
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State Chief Medical Examiner's Office, testified. First, she examined all
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three children. She explained that in deaths of children under two,
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she examines the brain and spinal cord. She testified about
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what she found in Callan's brain and about hemorrhaging in
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the eyes of both older children, and she said the
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damage was consistent with strangulation. Bob Ward of Boston twenty five,
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who has been in that courtroom every day, wrote that
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the jury was paying very close attention and that none
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of them appeared emotional during stone Bridge's testimony. He called
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it difficult testimony. He wasn't wrong. Then doctor Barbara Olson
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took the stand. She performed the autopsies on Cora and
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on Dawson, and that's when it came apart. Clancy was
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quietly crying before Olson was even called. During the description
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of Cora's external examination, she was sobbing loudly enough that
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reporters couldn't hear the witness. The judge cleared the court room,
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she was wheeled out. Court came back. It happened again.
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Her father was in the gallery with his head bowed.
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Reddington had a hand on her shoulder, whispering to her,
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and at one point pulled her into his side and
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rubbed her back while she sobbed into her hands. Some
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of the jurors cried when they saw the autopsy photographs
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of Cora and Dawson. People in the gallery left the
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room in tears. Judge Sullivan ordered the photos impounded so
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they will not be publicly released, which is the right call,
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and I'm glad he made it. Olson finished, Reddington did
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not cross examine her, not one question. That's a choice,
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and it's the correct one. There is nothing to fight about.
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Nobody disputes how those children died. The defense case has
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never been that it didn't happen. Standing up to question
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that witness would only have kept the jury there longer.
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Court ended around four It zooms this morning, and the
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reporting is that the prosecution is close to resting, with
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the judge saying the trial is on or ahead of schedule,
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which means the defense case, the one we've been waiting
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three weeks for, is about to start. Now to New
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York at eleven o'clock this morning, while a lot of
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you are listening to this, Luigi Mangoni is due in
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federal court in Manhattan for a hearing that nobody will explain.
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Here's the sequence. On Tuesday, Mangoni was in state court
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in Manhattan for a pre trial appearance, where the judge
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ruled that the jury in his state murder trial will
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be anonymous given the profile of the case. Hours after
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that hearing, a one page letter landed on the federal docket.
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Justice Department prosecutors and Mangione's defense team jointly asked Judge
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Margaret Garnett for a conference. The letter says the party's
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right jointly to request a conference with the court, and
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that based on communications with Chambers. They understood the judge
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was available Friday at eleven. That's it. That's the whole letter.
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No stated purpose. Sources familiar with the discussions have told
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ABC News, CNN and others that PLEA negotiations are underway
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and that the conference is expected to touch on a deal.
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Cnn' sources also cautioned that talks are fluid and may
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not produce anything. So let me tell you what's actually
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at stake, because this is not a small thing. Brian
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Thompson was fifty years old. He was the chief executive
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of United Healthcare, and on December fourth, twenty twenty four,
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he was shot in the back on a Manhattan sidewalk
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while walking to an investor conference. He had a family.
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Whatever anybody thinks about American health insurance, and I have
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said plenty on this show about what that industry does