Sept. 10, 2026
Four Clancy Jurors Speak and Their Accounts Don't Match, Patrick Clancy's Lawyer Warns the Conspiracy Theorists, and a Case in Illinois
Four jurors from Lindsay Clancy's murder trial have now spoken publicly, and their accounts conflict. Foreperson Roni Carlson, a retired fifth-grade special needs teacher, told NBC10 Boston the holdout juror "admitted he had reasonable doubt" — that she began signing the verdict forms before he said, "But I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity." Jurors Kellie Farina and Paula Devlin described him as closed off and unwilling to engage. A fourth juror, speaking anonymously to CBS Boston, said the majority pressed him from the beginning, that he was not the only one unwilling to move, and that she would defend him. Judge William Sullivan has temporarily sealed the jurors' names, and the holdout has not spoken. Also: Patrick Clancy's attorney Howard Cooper issued a statement calling the online claims that he was involved in his children's deaths a "relentless, escalating and destructive defamation campaign," saying law enforcement has been notified. And in Frankfort, Illinois, Corie Walsh, 40, was ordered held without bond on three counts of first-degree murder in the death of her two-year-old son, Barrett; her attorneys say she was in a psychotic episode.
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Calaroga Shark Media. Good morning.
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This is Daily Crime and Justice from Calaroga Shark Media,
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powered by AI. I'm Garrett Fisher. It's Thursday, September 10th, 2026.
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On Monday, we said we were putting the Lindsay Clancy
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case down until Judge Sullivan reconvenes on September 29th. That
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lasted about 48 hours, and it is not because we
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went looking. It is because four of the 12 people
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who sat in that jury room have now given interviews,
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and their accounts do not match each other. Three of
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them went on television Tuesday and blamed one man for
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the mistrial. The foreperson said she was excited to be
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filling out the not guilty forms when he told her
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he still would not sign. And then a fourth juror
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gave a completely different picture of that room. She said
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the majority was trying to sway him from the very beginnings.
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She said he was not the only person in there
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who refused to move. And she said she would defend him.
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Also this week, Patrick Clancy's lawyer put out a statement
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warning the people who have spent months accusing him of
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murdering his own children that law enforcement has been notified
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and there will be consequences. And then there is a
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case in Illinois that I have been going back and
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forth about all week involving a two-year-old boy named Barrett
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and a mother whose lawyers say she was psychotic. We
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are going to handle that one carefully, and I will
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tell you exactly what I am not.
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Going to do with it. Let's get into it.
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Last Friday, after seven days and roughly 38 hours, Judge
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William Sullivan declared a mistrial in the Lindsay Clancy case.
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Jury notes indicated the panel was split 11 to 1
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in favor of acquitting her on grounds of lack of
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criminal responsibility. Sullivan has temporarily sealed the jurors' names. That
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is a protective measure and a sensible one. Three of
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them came forward anyway, voluntarily, and sat down with NBC
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Boston on Tuesday. The foreperson, Ronnie Carlson, and two other jurors,
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Kelly Farina and Paula Devlin. Here's what they said, and
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I want to be fair to them because some of
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it is genuinely illuminating. Carlson explained what the jury was
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actually doing in there, and she explained it better than
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most of the coverage has. She said they were not
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trying to figure out whether Lindsay Clancy killed the children.
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She did, and she admitted it. They were trying to
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figure out whether she knew right from wrong at the time.
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And she described how she got there. She said everything
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in that trial proved this woman loved her children, the journals,
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her mother-in-law's testimony, all of it. And that if that
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was true, then something must have broken. That is a
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jury doing its job. Then she described the moment it
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fell apart. She said the holdout had reasonable doubt, that
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he admitted he had reasonable doubt. She said she started
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filling out the forms, that there were three of them,
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and that she was so excited. And then he said
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he was still not going to say she was not guilty.
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Paula Devlin described that juror as arrogant and said he
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really did not take in anything anybody said. The three
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of them also said they found Kevin Reddington entertaining, that
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his whole demeanor was funny. that he made one of
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them laugh out loud, and that they needed some of that. Now,
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those two things, being excited and being entertained, have set
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off a considerable amount of anger online. People are furious
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that a juror described herself as excited to sign an
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acquittal in a case with three dead children, and furious
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that anybody found anything in that courtroom entertaining.
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I want to push back on that, at least partly.
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Those 12 people sat through five and a half weeks
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of the worst material any of them will ever encounter.
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If a defense attorney with 50 years of courtroom instincts
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occasionally broke the tension, that is not disrespect. That is
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how human beings survive a room like that. Anybody who
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has worked a hospital, a firehouse, or a homicide unit
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knows exactly what that is. And the word excited in
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context is a woman describing the moment she thought seven
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days of deadlock were finally over. It was clumsy. It
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was not celebratory. But then, on Tuesday, a fourth juror
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talked to CBS Boston, and she told a different story.
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She has not been named. She said she had not
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followed the case at all before she was summoned, because
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she does not watch the news, and she described herself
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as close to a perfect juror for this trial. She
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has no children of her own. She walked in with
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no view. And her initial view after hearing the evidence
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was that Lindsay Clancy was guilty. She said originally she
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felt Clancy was guilty and criminally responsible. She voted to
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acquit anyway. And here is what she said about that.
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Maybe she still believes it in a certain way. Think
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about that for a second. That is a juror who
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voted not guilty and is telling you out loud that
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she is not at peace with it. That is not weakness.
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That is what reasonable doubt actually feels like from the inside.
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You do not have to be convinced of innocence. You
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have to be unconvinced of guilt. And those are extremely
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different things. And almost nobody who has not sat on
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a jury understands the difference. She explained why she got there.
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She said she believed this was a woman who was
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not mentally healthy, who was in the throes of a
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significant mental crisis, and who was so deep in it
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she could not see her way out. And she said
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the prosecution never gave her a moment where she could say, yes, 100%,
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I am certain. She said there was too much gray area.
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Now here is the part that matters most. She was
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asked about the holdout. And she did not join the
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pile on. She said that juror was not the only
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one in that room who was unwilling to see things
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from the other side. She said there were some big
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personalities in there. She said the majority of the room
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was trying to sway that person from the very beginning.
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and she said plainly that she would defend that individual.
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She also described shouting loud enough to be heard from
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other rooms in the courthouse. So now you have two
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accounts from inside the same room. One is three people
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describing an arrogant man who would not engage.
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The other is a.
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Fourth person describing 11 people leaning on one from the
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moment the door closed, with big personalities and raised voices.
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Both of those accounts came from people who were actually there.
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Both of them are probably partly true. And that is
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precisely why deliberations are secret. And precisely why I said
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on Monday that a note from a foreperson is not
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a finding of fact. It is one person's account of
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an argument. Look, I'm going to say the same thing
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I said Monday and I am going to keep saying it.
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That man has not spoken publicly. His name is under seal.
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He did nothing that any court has found improper. Judge
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Sullivan looked directly at the accusation that he was refusing
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to follow the law and said the note did not
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show that. And in the space of one week, he
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has been accused of perjury in open court by a
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defense attorney, told on national television to lose sleep, and
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now described as arrogant by his fellow jurors on the
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local news. And a fourth juror who was in the
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same room says the pressure ran the other way. The
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one thing everybody seems to agree on is that he
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had reasonable doubt and would not vote to acquit. And
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I want to be careful here, because if that is accurate,
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it may in fact be a misunderstanding of the instruction.
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Reasonable doubt about guilt is supposed to produce a not
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guilty verdict. That is what it is for. But we
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do not know what he actually thought, because he has
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not said a word. And until he does, the only
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fair position is the one Judge Sullivan took. You do
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not get to referee somebody's conscience from outside the room.
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There is one more thing from that fourth juror, and
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it is the most important thing anybody has said about
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this case in two weeks. She talked about Patrick Clancy's
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911 call, the one the judge ordered the cameras turned
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off for. She said she will never be the same
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after that call. She described a visceral, blood-curdling scream. And
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she said that the people online pushing theories that Patrick
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had something to do with his children's deaths would feel
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differently if they had heard it. Cora Clancy was five.
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Dawson Clancy was three. Callan Clancy was eight months old.
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Twelve strangers heard something on a recording that they will
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carry for the.
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Rest of their lives.
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Someone has to say their names. When we come back,
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the father of those three children has hired a lawyer
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and is coming after the people who say he killed them.
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On the night of January 24th, 2023, Patrick Clancy left
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his house to pick up takeout and a prescription for
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his five-year-old daughter.
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He was gone about 25 minutes.
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He came home to find his wife outside in the
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snow and his three children dead in the basement. He
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was the first witness the Commonwealth called at his wife's
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murder trial. He testified about all of it. He has
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since divorced her, remarried, and moved out of Massachusetts. He
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has also publicly forgiven her and described her as a
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good mother who became ill. And for months, a substantial
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number of people on the internet have been saying he
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did it. On Tuesday morning, his attorney, Howard Cooper, issued
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a statement. And it is one of the more direct
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things I have read from a lawyer this year. Cooper
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said that over the past months, Patrick Clancy and his
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family have been subjected to a relentless, escalating, and destructive
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defamation campaign. He said it has been launched and promoted
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by minor celebrities, so-called influencers, and outright conspiracy theorists, who
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he said appear intent on boosting their own social media
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profiles and their own profit by publishing what they know
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to be falsehoods. He said it has resulted in real-life
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threats to his clients' reputation, livelihood, and life. And then,
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enough is enough. Those responsible should understand that there will
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be consequences, and every appropriate measure will be pursued to
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hold them accountable, including legally. Law enforcement has been notified.
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A legal analyst described the statement as essentially a cease
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and desist letter, and that is exactly what it is.
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It is not a lawsuit. It is a warning shot
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with a firm's name on it. Now let me deal
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with the underlying claim directly, because it deserves about 15
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seconds and then it deserves to be over. Lindsay Clancy
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has admitted through counsel that she killed her three children.
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Her own defense at trial was not that somebody else
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did it. It was that she was not criminally responsible
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when she did it. The prosecution and the defense agreed
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on this point. There was no dispute about it in
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that courtroom for five and a half weeks. And there
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is CVS surveillance video and phone records placing Patrick Clancy
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away from that house. The theory that he was involved
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never came up at trial.
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Not once.
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Because there is nothing to it. So could he actually sue?
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Probably against the right defendants. Defamation requires a false statement
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of fact published to others made with the required level
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of fault that causes harm. Accusing a named private individual
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of murdering his own children is about as clean a
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false statement of fact as you can construct. Patrick Clancy
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is not a public figure in the legal sense, which
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lowers his burden considerably. The practical problems are the ones
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that always apply. Some of these accounts are anonymous, and
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unmasking them means subpoenas to platforms that fight subpoenas. Some
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are overseas and effectively beyond reach. Suing is expensive and slow,
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and every filing feeds the thing it is trying to
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stop because a lawsuit is content too. And there is
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a harder problem underneath all of it. Section 230 of
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the Communications Decency Act means the platforms carrying this material
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are generally not liable for what their users post. So
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the person with a following of 2 million faces a lawsuit.
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The company that put the video in front of 2
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million people does not. That is the entire architecture of
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this problem, and no defamation suit filed by one grieving
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father is going to change it. But I want to
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end this segment on the line in that statement that
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almost nobody has quoted. Cooper said Patrick has no choice
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but to address this so he can return his attention
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to what matters. Preserving the memory of Cora, Dawson, and
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Callan Clancy, and supporting other women facing perinatal mental health challenges.
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That is not a line a lawyer writes for effect.
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Patrick Clancy has been doing exactly that publicly for three years.
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He is the person who stood up and said his
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wife was sick when saying anything else would have been
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easier and more sympathetic. The man whose three children were
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killed by their mother is spending his time supporting women
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with perinatal mental illness. And while he does that, people
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with ring lights are telling their followers he is a
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murderer for engagement.
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That's not a mistake. That's a choice. And there is
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money in it.
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That is the entire business model, and it is why
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he is finally hiring lawyers. When we come back, a
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case in Illinois that I want to be very careful with.
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Before I start this, one word about why it is
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on the show at all. For six weeks, we have
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