April 6, 2026
DOCTOR ON THE STAND: KONIG TESTIFIES, SON DROPS BOMBSHELL, JUDGE GUTS LIVELY LAWSUIT
Gerhardt Konig faces cross-examination as his own son tells jurors he confessed — and Blake Lively's case just got a lot smaller.
It has been a brutal week for Gerhardt Konig in a Honolulu courtroom. His son took the stand and told jurors that his own father called him twice to confess — then said he planned to jump off the cliff before police could catch him. A digital forensics detective walked the jury through Christmas Eve Reddit spirals, late-night searches for deadly hiking trails, and a Dropbox folder labeled 'Divorce.' Then Konig himself took the stand, and the prosecutor tore through his story one question at a time. Plus: a federal judge just threw out ten of Blake Lively's thirteen claims against Justin Baldoni. What's left, and what it means for the trial that's still on.
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It has been a brutal week for Gerhardt Konig in a Honolulu courtroom. His son took the stand and told jurors that his own father called him twice to confess — then said he planned to jump off the cliff before police could catch him. A digital forensics detective walked the jury through Christmas Eve Reddit spirals, late-night searches for deadly hiking trails, and a Dropbox folder labeled 'Divorce.' Then Konig himself took the stand, and the prosecutor tore through his story one question at a time. Plus: a federal judge just threw out ten of Blake Lively's thirteen claims against Justin Baldoni. What's left, and what it means for the trial that's still on.
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You'll get exclusive behind-the-scenes content, breaking news updates on cases we're covering, and early alerts when new episodes drop. Our social media is where Garret Fisher's hottest takes live, including reactions that don't make it into the show.
But more importantly, it's where YOU come in. Share your theories, debate the verdicts, and connect with fellow listeners who are just as obsessed with justice as you are. Did the jury get it right? What questions do you still have? Your comments and insights often shape future episodes.
We cover the trials that matter, but our community makes the conversation unforgettable. Come for Garret's signature cynical commentary, stay for the incredible discussions with thousands of true crime fans who get it.
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Kalaroga Shark Media. Good morning. I'm Garrett Fisher. Monday, April sixth,
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twenty twenty six. We've been living inside the Konig trial
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for two weeks now. If you've been with us, you
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know the shape of this thing. An anesthesiologist his wife,
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a birthday hike on a Hawaiian cliff side a rock,
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two nurses who ran towards screaming they heard from a trail,
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and a man who fled to Maui with blood on
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his shirt. Last week, the case shifted after five days
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of prosecution witnesses, crime scene evidence, DNA, bodycam footage, Ariel's
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testimony from the stand. On the one year anniversary of
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the attack, the state called a digital forensics detective who
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walked the jury through what Gerhart Koenick was doing alone
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on his computer in the dark on Christmas Eve, and
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then on Christmas morning, and then over the following weeks,
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and then in early March, three weeks before the hike,
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when he started searching for trails with cliffs. Then his
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son took the stan, his own son, and then Gerhart
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Koenig himself took the stan, looked at the jury and
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told them he never meant to hurt anyone. Also, this week,
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a federal judge in New York handed down a ruling
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in the Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni case that dramatically
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changed the shape of that trial. Ten of her thirteen
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claims gone. The trial is still on for May. But
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what Lively is walking in with now looks very different
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from what she filed. Let's get into it. We've given
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you the full foundation of this trial, day one through
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day five. If you need to catch up, that's five
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separate episodes in the archive. Go find them. They're worth
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your time. What I want to do today is walk
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you through the three days that just closed out last week,
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because taken together, day six, seven, and eight are something else.
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They are the kind of sequence that either makes or
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breaks a case. And depending on which side of that
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chair you're sitting on in that courtroom, the week could
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not have gone more differently. Let's start with day six, Tuesday,
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March thirty. First, the prosecution called Detective Thomas Ainuma from
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the Honolulu Police Department's Digital Forensics unit. His job was
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to walk the jury through what he found on Gerhart
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Koenig's phone, his SIM card, and his laptop look. Digital
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forensics testimony can put a jury to sleep in about
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seven minutes. It is detailed, it is technical, and it
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requires patience. But this detective had something to show them
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that required no explanation at all. Christmas Eve, December twenty fourth,
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twenty twenty four, at four thirty four in the morning,
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Gerhart Koenig's laptop was active. He was on Google Chrome
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browsing Reddit. The subreddit was called as one after Infidelity,
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and the threads he visited at four thirty four am
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four thirty seven, four forty nine, four fifty seven were
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titled things like lying again, It's over those who have
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been betrayed? Did you fall out of I did a
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horrible thing? Christmas morning, December twenty fifth, three twenty five am.
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Back on Reddit, same subreddit, wives why did you do it?
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And a search from relationship advice because by this point
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he had migrated from the infidelity form to a broader
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search asking how to trust a spouse who cheated and
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then didn't tell the whole story? An anesthesiologist Christmas Eve,
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Christmas morning, four in the morning, spiraling through Reddit. He had, also,
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according to the detective, purchased a voice activated audio recorder
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from Walmart, had it delivered to his home. He was
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monitoring his wife documenting, logging, and then the detective got
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to February. In March February twenty eight, Koenig search for
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secret hikes on Maui March third. He searched for the
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Polypuca Hikes, specifically a trail, the detective explained, with documented
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ratings noting a steep cliff. He reviewed all the trails.
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He looked at the ratings, and then the detective told
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the jury what specific keyword searches had been run during
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the window covered by the search warrant, among them danger, death, fall, kill, die, cliff, hike.
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There was also a dropbox folder on the laptop named divorce.
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The defense tried on cross to blunt the impact of
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all of this. They noted that the search warrant limited
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what could be examined. That context matters, that a man
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grieving an affair might naturally search those terms. Maybe, but
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you don't get to unring that bell for the jury.
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They heard it. They saw it Christmas Eve at four
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in the morning on a forum for betrayed spouses is
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not an accident. Searching for cliffs three weeks before taking
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your wife to one is not a coin incidents. That's
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not a mistake, that's a choice. After the detective, the
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prosecution called the Koenig family. Peter Masked, Ariel's stepfather, testified
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about the tension he observed between Ariel and Gerhart in
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the months before the attack. He described a party in
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late January where Gearhart seemed to be performing normalcy, smiling, engaging,
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acting like everything was fine, but it wasn't. Everyone in
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that room could feel it. Judith masked, Ariel's mother. She
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confirmed the same thing, tension, coldness between them, though she
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said in the period just before the trip, things seemed
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to be improving, or at least appeared to be. And
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then Emil Koenig took the stand. Gerhart Koenig's son from
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his first marriage. Emil is the person his father called
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after the attack on the trail twice. The prosecution has
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been building toward this testimony since day one, when they
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told the jury and opening statements that Gerhart Koenig confess
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to his son. The defense flatly denied it. Thomas O'taki
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told the jury in his opening that there was no confession,
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that that call never happened the way the state says
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it did. Emil told the jury what happened. First call
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came in at ten forty two in the morning on
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March twenty fourth, the same day as the attack. Emil
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said his father told him he would not be making
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it back to Maui. He told Emil to take care
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of the younger kids. He said Ariel had been cheating
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on him. He said he had tried to kill her
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and she had gotten away, and he said he planned
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to jump off the cliff before the police could catch him.
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Second call, eleven forty six a m a FaceTime, his
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father asked Emil if he had told anyone, said again
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that he planned to jump. Ended the call with the words,
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I'm going to go before the police catch me. Emil
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could see blood on his father's shirt. He now lives
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with Ariel Koenig and has not spoken to his father
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since that day. That's not a dear detail, that's a verdict.
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When a man's own adult son is living with the
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woman his father tried to kill, something has already been
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decided in that family. The prosecution rested its case in
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chief day seven Wednesday, April first, April Fool's Day. I'm
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not gonna make anything of that. The defense opened with
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their expert witness, doctor Jonathan Arden, a forensic pathologist. Doctor
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Arden had reviewed Ariel's injuries and was there to challenge
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the prosecution's narrative about the severity of what happened on
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that trail. His testimony in plain terms, the injuries were real,
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but not as severe as the prosecution claimed. He said
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the scalp injury appeared severe due to heavy bleeding. Scalp
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wounds bleed dramatically even when they're relatively minor, but that
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it was soft tissue damage only, no skull fracture, no
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brain injury. He estimated the number of impacts at two
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to three, not the ten witnesses and Ariel herself described.
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He said the injuries were inconsistent with someone being struck
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ten times with full force by a rock. The prosecution
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on cross made one point very clearly. Doctor Arden is
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a paid defense expert who frequently testifies for the defense.
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He acknowledged that they also challenged his dismissal of Ariel's
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concussion symptoms. He called them self reported and said there
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was no independent confirmation. The prosecution wasn't going to let
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that stand. A concussion doesn't always show up on imaging.
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That is simply how concussions work. Then Gerhard Koenig took
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the stand in his own defense. He told the jury
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his life story. Grew up in South Africa, moved to
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San Diego at fourteen, went to medical school at the
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University of Pittsburgh anesthesiology residency, clinical and teaching roles. He
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was married before had two children with his first wife,
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met Ariel On E. Harmony, got married in twenty eighteen,
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had two more children. The family moved to Maui. He
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described when he first became suspicious of Ariel, she was
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constantly on her phone, hiding the screen from him, acting
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defensive when he asked about it. She had taken a
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trip to South Africa in twenty twenty four for work,
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and her communication during that trip was unusually sparse. He said,
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something felt wrong. He unlocked her phone while she was
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sleeping and found the WhatsApp thread with Jeff Miller. He
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read through it. He documented which messages she was deleting.
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He described confronting her. He described calling her a lying
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bitch and a whore, though he testified it wasn't in
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the first confrontation. It came later. He told the jury
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that after she admitted to the affair and expressed remorse,
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they decided to try to work on the marriage. He
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said he felt hopeful. He said he bought the recording
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device because he wasn't sure he could trust what she
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was telling him, but that he genuinely wanted to believe her.
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And then he described the hike. He denied any intent
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to harm her. He said it was a normal thing
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for them to do together. He said she attacked him,
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shoved him, grabbed him, grabbed him by the testicles, struck
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him with a rock. He said he wrestled the rock
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away and hit her back. He said he never intended
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to kill her. He said the phone call to his
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son was not a confession, it was a goodbye. He
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told the jury he was suicidal, that the investigation, the
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loss of his marriage, the weight of all of it
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had pushed him to the edge. He called Emil to
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say goodbye, not to confess. He became emotional on the stand.
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He said he was almost pushed over the edge himself
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that day, day eight Thursday, April, second cross examination, prosecutor
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Joel Garner had Koenig on the stand and he did
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not let up. He walked through the affair in detail.
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The WhatsApp messages, which Garner pointed out, contained nothing sexual,
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good morning texts, questions about sleep, whether she liked Blues Traveler.
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There's nothing sexual in these messages, is there, doctor Koenig. No,
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This is two people saying good morning to each other.
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Koenig agreed, but he maintained that it wasn't about any
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individual message. It was the relationship as a whole, the
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intimacy of it, the secrecy. Garner then walked through what
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Koenig did next. He contacted Jeff Miller's wife, Andrea, sent
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her an email, provided her with Ariel's personal cell number
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and email address, encouraged her to reach out. The prosecutor
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suggested Koenig wanted Andrea to contact Ariel specifically to punish
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and humiliate her. Koenig denied it. He had also disclosed
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the affair to Ariel's best friends, a married couple, before
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a group trip to California. The prosecution argued he was
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trying to isolate Ariel from her support system. Koenig said
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he was just preparing people for a difficult conversation. Then
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on that trip, he confronted her, called her a lying
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bitch and a whore, He admitted it. He wanted her
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to move out of the house. Their sons were four
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years old and eighteen months. No mother would want to
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move out with children that young, Garner noted. Koenig said
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he wanted her out of the house to deal with
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the aftermath of the affair. He also wanted her to
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quit her job as a nuclear engineer, which would have
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made her entirely financially dependent on him and his salary.
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He acknowledged as much, correct, he said when Garner asked
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whether without her job, she would be dependent on his
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paycheck to keep a roof over her kids' heads. The
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jury was also shown the contents of his medical bag,
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a syringe a generic form of propofaal, the anesthetic that
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caused Michael Jackson's death, in the bag that he had
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with him, and the jury was told that Gerhard Koenig
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stood to collect two hundred and fifty thousand dollars from
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a life insurance policy on Ariel's life in the event
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of her death. He denied that money was a motive.
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He suggested Ariel's one point five million dollar policy on
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his life was the reason she attacked him first. The
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prosecution didn't appear to find that persuasive. He also testified
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that the last time he and Ril were intimate was
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Christmas Eve, twenty twenty four, The same night the digital
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forensics detective showed the jury he was on Reddit at
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four in the morning, spiraling through infidelity forums. The trial
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is expected to continue through mid April. We'll keep bringing
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you every development when we come back. A federal judge
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in New York just handed down a one hundred and
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fifty two page ruling in the Blake Lively and Justin
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Baldoni case, and ten of her thirteen claims are gone.
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What's left and whether it is still matters? Welcome back.
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We have covered this case extensively. If you were with
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us for the season one countdown the top ten crime
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and justice stories of twenty twenty five, Lively versus Baldoni
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was number three. You know the shape of it, but
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let me give you the key context before I walk
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you through what just happened. Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni
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co starred in the twenty twenty four film It Ends
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with Us. Baldoni also directed. The film made three hundred
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and fifty million dollars globally, and then everything went sideways.
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In December twenty twenty four, Lively file a complaint accusing
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Baldoni of sexual harassment on set, improvised kissing, entering her
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trailer while she was breastfeeding, inappropriate comments, and of orchestrating
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a coordinated smear campaign against her through a crisis PR
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operation after she complained about the conditions on set. Text
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messages from Baldoni's PR team became central to that allegation,
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including one that read, you know we can bury anyone.
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Baldoni countersued for four hundred million dollars, claiming defamation. That
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suit was thrown out entirely in June twenty twenty five.
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Lively's case survived and has been heading toward a May
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eighteenth trial in New York City. Last Thursday, April, second
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