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Calaruga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Red Carter. Monday, November seventeenth,
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twenty twenty five. We're continuing our look at classic trials
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during the holiday court break today. Ted Bundy's nine years
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on death Row. July thirty first, nineteen seventy nine, Ted
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Bundy received two death sentences for murdering Margaret Bowman and
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Lisa Levy at Chai Omega Sorority House. Sent to Florida
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State Prison Death Row. Sell Q dash three dash south,
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six feet by nine feet, concrete walls, steel door, one
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hour of exercise per day, twenty three hours in the
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cell alone with his thoughts. Most Death Row inmates deteriorate depression,
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mental illness, withdrawal from reality. Not Ted, He thrived. Death
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row gave him what he craved most attention. He gave
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interviews to journalists, authors, filmmakers, talked about his crimes without confessing,
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discussed serial killer psychology, analyzed his own methods in third
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person as if he were studying someone else, called himself
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an amateur compared to other killers. He married Carol Anne Boone,
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technically already married from the courtroom declaration, but they had
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a second ceremony at the prison she visited regularly, somehow
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got pregnant during a contact visit gave birth to their daughter,
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Rosa in October nineteen eighty two. Prison officials never figured
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out how conception happened. Carol never explained Rosa was Ted
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Bundy's only child. For nine years, Ted lived on death row,
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filed appeals, fought his execution, and slowly strategically started confessing,
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not out of remorse, not to help families find closure,
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but to buy himself more time. Each confession was a
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bargaining chip. Each body of location was leveraged for another delay.
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Detectives from seven states wanted answers, families wanted to know
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what happened to their daughters, and Ted Bundy used their
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desperation to stay alive as long as possible. January nineteen
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eighty nine, Ted's appeals were exhausted, execution dates set for
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January twenty fourth. Suddenly, Ted wanted to talk. Had information
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about unsolved murders, could provide details only the killer would know.
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Offered to confess to everything if Florida would delay his execution.
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Governor Bob Martinez refused. The execution would proceed on schedule,
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but detectives from Washington, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, California, and
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Florida descended on Florida State Prison anyway they wanted answers,
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even if it meant listening to Ted glowed about murder
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for his final week. I'm reed, Carter, this is Celebrity Trials.
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Day three, Death Row Confessions and the manipulation game Ted
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Bundy played until the very end. July nineteen seventy nine,
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Ted Bundy arrived at Florida State Prison Death Row Cell
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Block Q, also known as the Bucket home to Florida's
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most dangerous condemned men. Ted cell six feet by nine
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feet concrete floor, steel bunk, stainless steel, toilet and sink combo.
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No privacy. Guards could see everything through the barred door,
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one small window near the ceiling, natural light for a
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few hours a day. Otherwise fluorescent lights, constant noise, men screaming, crying,
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talking to themselves. Ted adapted quickly started a routine exercise
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during his one hour of yard time, reading legal materials,
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filing appeals, writing letters, giving interviews. He got more mail
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than any other death row inmate, hundreds of letters a week,
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marriage proposals, fan mail, women who think I thought he
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was innocent. Women who didn't care if he was guilty.
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Ted answered some letters, especially from women, built relationships, manipulated
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them into sending money, convincing them to advocate for him.
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One woman even tried to help him escape. Plan was
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discovered before execution. Carol Anne Boone visited regularly. They'd gotten
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married in court during his trial, but Florida officials didn't
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recognize it initially, so they had another ceremony in the
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prison made it official. Carol moved to Gainesville, Florida, with
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her son from a previous marriage, got a job, visited
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Ted weekly. Prison allowed contact visits for married couples, supervised
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but not heavily monitored. Somehow, during one of these visits,
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Carol became pregnant. Prison officials launched an investigation. Never figured
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out how. Some theories bribed guards smuggled specimen. Ted was
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clever found a way. October twenty fourth, nineteen eighty two,
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ro was born Ted's daughter, his only child. He never
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met her outside prison, only saw her during visits. She'd
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sit on his lap in the visiting room. He'd read
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to her, play with her, act like a normal father,
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except he was on death row for murdering two women
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and being suspected of killing dozens more. Carol brought Rosa
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to visit until nineteen eighty six. Then the visit stopped.
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Carol divorced Ted, took Rosa and disappeared, changed their names,
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built a new life somewhere far away from Florida. Rosa
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Bundy grew up not knowing her father was one of
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America's most notorious serial killers. Carol protected her from that
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truth as long as possible. Years later, Rosa learned can't
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hide forever. Media found out published stories Ted Bundy's daughter.
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Where is she now? Rosa has never given an interview,
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never spoken publicly. She deserves privacy. She didn't choose her
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father shouldn't be punished for his crimes. But in the
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early nineteen eighties, Ted had a wife and daughter visiting,
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had a support system, had people who believed in him,
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or at least Carol believed. She wrote a memoir years later,
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admitting she'd been manipulated, that Ted lied to her constantly,
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that she finally accepted the truth after reading evidence transcripts,
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but for years she was all in. Ted also had
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celebrity admirers. Author Anne Rule visited him they'd worked together
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at Seattle Crisis Clinic in the nineteen seventies. She was
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writing The Stranger Beside Me. Wanted his perspective. Ted gave interviews,
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talked about serial killers in third person, analyzed criminal psychology,
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avoided confessing to anything. He gave interviews to journalists, filmmakers, psychologists.
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Everyone wanted to understand how a charming law student became
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a serial killer. Ted loved the attention, controlled the narrative,
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made himself interesting, made people fascinated. He talked about pornography,
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blamed his crimes on addiction to violent pornography. Said it
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started with magazines, escalated to hardcore violent content, desensitized him
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to violence against women, made him crave, acting out fantasies.
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Psychologists debated whether pornography caused his violence, or if violent
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tendencies made him seek out pornography. Most concluded Ted was
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born a psychopath. Pornography didn't create him, just fed impulses
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that were already there. But Ted's pornography explanation gave him
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an out, a reason, something external to blame. Society did
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this to me, media did this. I'm a victim too.
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Typical psychopath deflection, never accept responsibility always find someone else
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to blame. Meanwhile, Ted filed appeal. After appeal challenged his convictions,
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claimed ineffective council claimed juror bias, claimed the bitemark evidence
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was junk science, claimed prosecutors withheld exculpatory evidence. Every argument failed.
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Florida Supreme Court upheld his convictions. Federal courts denied his petitions.
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March nineteen eighty Ted's first execution date scheduled stayed at
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the last minute due to pending appeals. November nineteen eighty three.
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Second execution date stayed again. March nineteen eighty six. Third
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execution date stayed again. Each time Ted got closer to
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the electric chair. Each time appeals saved him, but eventually
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the appeals would run out. Everyone knew it, including Ted,
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so he started playing his final card. Information. Ted contacted
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detective Bob Keppel from King County, Washington, offered to help
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with the Green River killer case Gary Ridgeway, who was
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murdering women in Seattle area. Ted said he could provide
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insights into serial killer psychology help police catch an active killer.
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Bob Keppel agreed, visited Ted on death row, interviewed him
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for hours. Ted talked about criminal profiling, how serial killers
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select victims, how they avoid detection. Gave useful information about
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psychology and methods, But Keppel knew Ted was manipulating him,
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trading information for validation, for attention, for feeling important. Ted
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wasn't trying to help catch Gary Ridgeway. Ted was trying
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to stay relevant. Still, Keppel learned things, patterns, tactics, insights
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that helped develop better profiling techniques. The interviews weren't useless,
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just came from a manipulative source. Then Ted started confessing slowly, strategically,
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one murder at a time, each confession buying him attention,
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media coverage, another reason to delay execution. While detectives verified information,
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Ted confessed to murdering Linda Ann Healy in Washington. Provided
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details only the killer would know where he dumped her remains,
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what he did to her body. Detectives verified, case closed.
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Confessed to killing Donna Gale Manson, George Enn Hawkins, Susan
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Rancourt provided burial locations. Detectives found remains. Cases closed. Ted
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enjoyed this controlled the pace, decided when to reveal information,
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watching detectives react, watching families finally get answers, He fed
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on their pain. Between nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty nine,
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Ted confessed to approximately thirty murders, but detectives believe the
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real number was much higher, maybe fifty, maybe one hundred,
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maybe more. Ted traveled constantly, lived in multiple states. Every
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jurisdiction he visited had unsolved murders of young women, all
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fitting his victim profile. All during his timeline, Ted refused
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to confess to everything, said thirty was enough. Didn't want
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to be remembered as the worst, wanted to maintained some mystery,
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some control over his legacy. But as his execution date
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approached in January nineteen eighty nine, Ted suddenly wanted to
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confess to more. Had information about unsolved cases in multiple
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states could help families find closure. All he needed was
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more time. Investigators knew what he was doing, trading bodies
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for delays, using dead women as bargaining chips, but they
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wanted answers, wanted to close cases, wanted to give families peace,
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so they flew to Florida, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, California.
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Detectives from all over descended on Florida State Prison, ready
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to listen to Ted, Bundy confessed to murder for his
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final week of life. We'll be right back with Ted's
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final confessions, the details that still haunt investigators, and his
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complete lack of remorse. January seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine, one
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week before Ted Bundy's execution, death warrants signed by Governor
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Bob Martinez. No more stays, no more delays. January twenty fourth,
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at seven am, Ted would die in the electric chair.
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Ted's attorneys made a final plea to the governor. Ted
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had information about unsolved murders, could help close cases, give
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families closure. All he needed was a stay of execution
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while he provided details. Governor Martinez refused. Theodore Bundy used
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murder to manipulate in life, He's using it to manipulate
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in death. The execution will proceed as scheduled, but detectives
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still wanted answers. Even if the governor wouldn't delay, they
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could still interview Ted get whatever information he'd give before
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he died. January eighteenth to twenty third, nineteen eighty nine,
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detectives from seven states interviewed Ted for hours each day.
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FBI agents present, psychologists present, everyone taking notes, recording everything
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Ted confessed to murders he'd denied for years, provided details
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that only the killer would know, burial locations, methods, timelines,
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personal items he'd kept, his trophies some of the most
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disturbing confessions in criminal history. Detective Bob Keppel from Washington
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interviewed Ted about the Washington and Oregon murders. Ted confirmed
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killing Linda Ann Healey, Donna Gale Manson, Susan Rancourt, Roberta Parks,
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Brenda Ball, Georgian Hawkins, all the women who disappeared from
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Seattle area in nineteen seventy four. Ted described his methods,
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how he stalked them, learned their routines, waited for opportunities,
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the fake cast, the fake crutches, the helpless nice guy routine,
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How quickly women trusted him, how easy it was. He
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described kidnapping them, driving to remote areas, secondary locations where
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he could take his time, what he did to them,
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how long they survived, how he killed them. Keppel asked
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about disposal. Ted said he dumped most bodies in Tailor
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Mountain area, dense forest, hard to find. He returned to
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the dump site multiple times, had sex with the decomposing corpses,
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applied makeup, to their faces so they looked alive, talked
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to them, treated them like girlfriends. Eventually the bodies decomposed
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too much. Ted took their heads, kept them in his apartment,
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washed their hair, applied makeup, used them for sexual gratification.
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When they decomposed further, he dumped them in the woods.
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Detective Jerry Thompson from Utah interviewed Ted about the Utah murders.
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Ted confessed to killing Melissa Smith, Laura Amy, Deborah Kent,
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Nancy Wilcox. Said he killed Moore, but couldn't remember exact
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numbers or names. They blurred together. He described the methods
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same patterns, fake injuries, abductions, secondary locations, rape murder disposal.
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Sometimes kept bodies for days before dumping them, had sex
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with them, repeatedly treated them like possessions. Thompson asked about
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Deborah Kent. Her body was never found. Ted said he
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buried her in a remote area, but couldn't remember exactly where,
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gave approximate location. Searchers never found remains. Deborah Kent's family
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never got closure. Detective Mike Fisher from Colorado interviewed Ted
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about the Colorado murders. Ted confessed to killing Karrn Campbell,
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Julie Cunningham, Denise Oliverson, Shelley Robertson said there were more,
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couldn't remember all the names. He described the ski resort murders,
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easy hunting grounds, women traveling alone, vulnerable. He'd approach them
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in parking lots, offered a help with luggage, walk them
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toward their cars, abduct them, drive to remote cabins or
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forest areas, keep them alive for hours, sometimes days, rape
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them repeatedly, then kill them. Fisher asked why Ted kept
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returning to some dump sites. Ted said, I needed them.
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They were mine. I owned them, even after death, they
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were mine. Detectives from California, Idaho, and Florida also interviewed Ted.
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More confessions, more details, more horrors. Doctor Dorothy Lewis, psychiatrist,
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interviewed Ted about his childhood, trying to understand what created him.
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Ted blamed pornography, blamed dysfunctional family, blamed discovering he was
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illegiti blamed society, everyone except himself. Doctor Lewis asked if
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Ted felt remorse. He said yes, said he thought about
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victims constantly, felt terrible about what he'd done, but his
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affect was flat. No emotion, no tears, no genuine regret,
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just words performance manipulation. Doctor Lewis concluded Ted was a psychopath,
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incapable of genuine empathy, incapable of remorse. Everything he said
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was calculated, designed to elicit specific responses to make people
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see him how he wanted to be seen. Reverend Fred Lawrence,
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evangelical pastor, also visited Ted daily. Ted claimed he'd found God,
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become a Christian, been saved, asked for baptism. Lawrence baptized
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him in the prison chapel. Media covered it. Some people
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believed Ted's conversion was genuine, most didn't. January twenty third,
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nineteen eighty nine, Ted's final interview with re Everen James
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Dobson of Focus on the Family. Dobson wanted to discuss
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pornography's role in Ted's crimes, give Ted a platform to
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warn others about pornography's dangers. Ted obliged, talked about how
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pornography corrupted him, made him violent, made him see women
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as objects. Said if society banned pornography, it could prevent