D4vd Preliminary Hearing: The Evidence Against David Anthony Burke in Celeste Rivas Hernandez's Killing, the Apalachee Sentencing.

0:03 Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning. I am Garrett Fisher, and this is Daily Crime Injustice. It is Tuesday, July twenty eighth, twenty twenty six. Before we start, a warning, and I mean this one. Today we are dealing with the killing and dismemberment of a fourteen year old girl, with the sexual abuse of a child, with a school shooting, and with strangulation inside a relationship. If any of that is something you cannot be around this morning, skip this episode. We will be right here tomorrow. Nobody is keeping score three cases today and all three of them are about the moment the system finally catches up to somebody. In Los Angeles, prosecutors spent last week laying out, piece by piece the case against a twenty one year old singer who a few years ago had a song streamed a billion times. What they described was a blue inflatable pool, cleaned and folded and bundled with a dryer sheet, a burn box ordered on Amazon under a fake name, jugs of fake blood in a garage, eleven air fresheners, inside a tesla that had a fourteen year old girl in the front trunk, and on the last day of testimony, a defense attorney asking a deputy medical examiner whether that fourteen year old could have stabbed herself in winder Georgia, the sentencing hearing for the young man who shot up Appalachi High School is still running. He pleaded guilty on

1:33 Friday to all fifty five counts with no deal in place and nothing negotiated. And then the people he shot stood up one at a time and told him exactly what he took. And then investigators put a notebook in front of the court that makes a liar out of the story he told police on the day of the shooting. And in Fort Myers, Florida, a man some of you will remember from a courtroom three years ago, a TikTok influencer who walked out of a New Jersey trial acquitted of killing his neighbor in a garage, has just been sentenced to twelve years in prison, not for that, for what he did to a woman who told him she did not want to see him anymore. I am Garrett Fisher. This is daily crime and justice. Here is where things stand in Los Angeles. David Anthony Burke, the singer known professionally as D four VD, pronounced David has completed a week of preliminary hearing testimony in the death of fourteen year old Celeste Revas Hernandez. He has pleaded not guilty to first degree murder, continuous sexual abuse of a child under fourteen, an unlawful mutilation of human remains. Judge Charlene Olmeado will decide whether there is enough evidence to send the case to a jury trial. In Wyinder, Georgia, sixteen year old Colt Gray pleaded guilty on Friday to all fifty five charges against him for the September twenty twenty four shooting at Appalachi High School that killed two teachers and two fourteen year old students and wounded nine other peace His sentencing hearing resumed Monday morning, and Judge Nicholas

3:04 prim has two options under Georgia law, life in prison with the possibility of parole or life without it. And in Fort Myers, Florida, twenty four year old Zachary Latham has been sentenced as a habitual violent felony offender to twelve years in prison with a ten year minimum mandatory after pleading guilty to attempt at kidnapping, domestic battery by strangulation, criminal mischief, violating pre trial release, and tampering with a witness. The garage, the pool, and the front trunk. Let us go to Los Angeles. You have been with us on this one since the fall of twenty twenty five, when a towyard manager in Hollywood called police about a smell coming from a car on his lot. We covered the grand jury, We covered the arrest. In April, we covered the charges. Last week, the case moved into a different phase, and it is the phase where the state has to actually show its work. A preliminary hearing is not a trial.

3:59 I want to be clear about that up front, because it matters. There is no jury. Nobody is deciding guilt. The only question in front of Judge Charlene Olmedo is whether prosecutors have shown enough to establish probable cause, which is a far lower bar than beyond a reasonable doubt. David Anthony Burke has pleaded not guilty to every count. He is presumed innocent, and he stays presumed innocent until twelve people say otherwise. What I am about to describe is the prosecution laying out one side of a case, and the defense got to cross examine every witness hard and I'm going to give you that too, but I want to start where this show always starts. Celeste Revas Hernandez was fourteen years old. She was from Lake Elsinor.

4:44 She was reported missing, and for a long stretch of time, nobody was looking for her the way they should have been. On September eighth of twenty twenty five, officers opened the front trunk of a tesla sitting in a towyard and she was inside. She had been reported missing more than a year early. The day her body was found was one day after what would have been her fifteenth birthday. Last week, Deputy medical Examiner Grant Ho took the stand and told the court that at the time of her death, Celeste weighed seventy one pounds. Seventy one pounds. Sit with that number for a second, and then think about how much of the Internet spent a year calling this child the singer's girlfriend. Here's what the week produced. Day one, lap D detective Josh Byers described the discovery two body bags in the front storage compartment of the tesla. The compartment buyers testified he had been told is called a front The first bag held a partially dismembered torso and head.

5:42 The second held arms and legs cut into pieces. Buyers testified that there were blue plastic fibers visible embedded in the cut surfaces of the body. Court TV's reporter in the room said Burke sat without any expression while those photographs were on the screen. Then prosecutors walked the court award in time. Months before the body was ever found, officers went to Burke's house on a routine missing person's check looking for a girl who had been reported missing. Body camera video from that visit was played in court. Burke answers the door himself. He is eating chips, He is casual. He tells the officers she is not there, that he met her exactly once, that he knew her from online chatting on discord back in twenty twenty one, that he did not really know her. And then he says this somebody sent me a yearbook photo. She says she is eighteen. I heard she is thirteen. I have listened to a lot of people talk to police on video.

6:37 That is not a man who is confused. That is a man who has already decided which version of the story he is going with. Also at that house, according to investigators, a burn box purchased on Amazon under an alias, which detective buyers described as functioning like a mini crematorium built to burn things down to nothing, two chainsaws bought under the same alas, and a blue inflatable pool. That pool is the spine of the state's case and I want you to understand exactly why LAPD. Criminalist Lauren Wallace testified that the pool was found crumpled into a ball at Burke's home, bundled together with a dryer sheet, smelling like fresh laundry, with no stains on it at all.

7:21 Somebody had cleaned it, but pieces of it were missing, and when criminalists compared those missing pieces against the blue plastic fragments embedded in Celeste's body, they matched. Criminalist Lisa Lehandro examined the pool and found four areas of damage with linear cuts, at least one of which went all the way through the bottom. There was hair inside it. They collected it. The garage told a version of the same story. Black rubber mats on the floor with linear cuts and red staining underneath the mats on the brick. A test showed the possible presence of blood, which prosecutors argued means it had soaked through from above, folded tarps in the same garage stained also testing positive for the possible presence of blood, and also in that garage jugs and trays of fake blood. Now that by itself is not evidence of anything. Burke's music videos are full of fake blood. It is a prop He is a performer.

8:20 But the state clearly wants you to sit with the image, and honestly, so do I. One garage and it had both kinds. Then came the digital evidence, and this is the part that his hardest for the defense to argue with, because machines do not have a story to tell. Detective William Roker testified that he pulled data from Burke's tesla and from his cell phone on the night of April twenty third, twenty twenty five, which is the date prosecutors belief Celeste was killed. The car and the phone both show Burke at home until roughly eleven thirty at night. Then both of them travel together out to what Roker described as a pretty desolate stretch of State Route one hundred fift fifty four in Santa Barbara County. Both come back home by six minutes past seven. The next morning, and then, according to Roker, that same trip happens twice more May fifth, May thirty. First, here's why that particular road matters. In January of this year, a keltrn's worker found a United States passport card lying about ten feet off Highway one hundred and fifty four in a dirt patch with tall grass. A day or two after a rainstorm had come through. The worker typed the name into Google, saw the missing person coverage, and called the highway patrol.

9:33 It was Celeste's passport card. And then there was money. Benjamin Gregor, who handled day to day financial management for Burke through a talent management company, testified that between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five, Burke's approximate gross earnings ran between ten million and eleven and a half million dollars. Prosecutors have argued that is the motive. Their theory is that Burke was in a sexual relationship with Celeste that began when she was thirteen, that she threatened to expose it, and that a record deal and a debut album were sitting on the other side of that scale. Ten million dollars against a fourteen year old girl. That is the theory, a jury has not tested it yet. Now the defense, because they are entitled to one end, because they did their job. Marilyn Bednarsky and Blair Burke spent the week attacking the investigation rather than the narrative, which is the correct play when the narrative is this ugly, and they landed some real hits. Both chainsaws tested negative for blood and electric saw tested negative for blood. Nobody ran touch DNA on the chainsaws. Nobody performed tool mark analysis on the victim's clothing. The burncage was never tested for DNA at all. A trash bag in the garage held wipes carrying Celeste's DNA, but the outside of that bag had a mixture from four contributors, and the defense got the criminal to acknowledge that at least two of them were male, and that while Burke was a possible contributor, she could

11:06 not say what percentage of the mixture was his. Those are legitimate questions a defense attorney is supposed to ask them. That is not a loophole. That is the whole point of the exercise. And then Friday happened when the autopsy photographs went up on the projector there was an audible intake of breath across the courtroom. People got up and walked out. Burke did not flinch. Doctor Ho testified that the cause of death was penetrating injuries to Celestis torso, one of which went deep enough to slash her liver. He testified that her ribs showed disruption that could be consistent with tool marks, places where bone appeared to have been chipped away. He could not determine whether she was dismembered before or after she died. He could not put the injuries in order. The decomposition had taken that away.

11:55 And then Bednarsky asked him whether the child could have been the one holding the knife, us whether he could determine that Celeste was not holding the knife that caused those two wounds. He said he could not. She asked, you cannot rule that out right, and doctor Hoe answered that it is a consideration, but that they would expect to find hesitation marks. Look, I am going to be honest with you. I understand what a preliminary hearing is for. I understand that Burke's lawyers have an obligation to test every inch of the state's case, that the burden sits with the government and never moves, and that raising an alternate explanation is not a dirty trick, it is the job. I have defended that principle on this show for a year, but somebody should name what happened in that room. A fourteen year old girl who weighed seventy one pounds was found cut into pieces inside two bags in the trunk of a car with eleven air fresheners scattered through it, and a grown adult stood up in open court and floated the possibility that she did the stabbing herself. Her parents had been in that courtroom all week, sitting between the attorney handling their wrongful death case and a victim advocate from the district attorney's office. On the day the autopsy photographs went up, they were not there. I am not going to pretend I know what that decision cost them, so I will just put the record where it belongs.

13:18 The medical examiner's answer was that you would expect hesitation marks. This show does not carry that theory any further than that where it stands. At the close of evidence, Judgelmato decides whether there is probable cause to send this to trial. District Attorney Nathan Hafkman said during a break last week that his office has still not decided whether it will seek the death penalty. Celeste Revas Hernandez was fourteen years old. Her passport card ended up in the weeds beside a highway in Santa Barbara County, and it took a road worker with a search engine to bring it back. Somebody has to say her name when we come back. A sixteen year old in winder Georgia who told investigators the shooting came out of nowhere, and the notebook that has been sitting there for months saying otherwise. Welcome back winder Georgia, Barrow County Superior Court. If you were with us in February and March, you already spent three weeks in this courtroom, and not for this defendant. We covered the entire trial of Colin Gray, the father who bought his fourteen year old son an assault style rifle for Christmas, seven months after the FBI came to his door about online school shooting threats, who knew what his son had put up on the wall above his computer, and who was convicted in March on twenty nine counts. So what closed on Friday is the other half of the same case. Colt Gray,

14:50 now sixteen, pleaded guilty to all fifty five charges against him, four counts of malice murder, four counts of felony murder, every remaining count, and he did it with no agreement in place, no deal, nothing negotiated, which means Judge Nicholas Prim has complete discretion and under Georgia law, he has exactly two options on those murder counts, life in prison with the possibility of parole, or life in prison without it. There is nothing in between, and there is no third door. Sentencing started the same day and it is still going. It resumed Monday morning at nine. It may well be finished by the time you hear this, before any of the legal argument. The people he shot got to stand up.

15:36 Mason Shermerhorn was fourteen years old, Christian Anguloh was fourteen years old. Richard Aspinwall was thirty nine, a teacher and a coach, Christina Eremi was fifty three, a math teacher. Nine other people were injured. Mason's mother told the court that if Colt had actually been coming to school the way he was supposed to, she has no doubt her son would have befriended him. She said she wakes up every morning to the reality that her son is gone, and goes to bed every night knowing there is nothing she can do to change it. And she said she has served six hundred and eighty eight days of a sentence with no parole, and that is what he should receive as well. Six hundred and eighty eight days she is counting, of course, she is counting. Shana Aspinwall, Richard's wife, told the court that no sentence can bring her husband back, that nothing restores the life he should have lived or the years they should have shared. But she asked the court to recognize the profound and permanent harm. She said the loss extends far past one day. She called it a life sentence of grief and trauma for the people left behind. And one of the teenagers who survived being shot stood up and said, I hate you, said I am mad at you because you had options. You had other options besides going in and killing a bunch of innocent people who did absolutely nothing to you. Gray showed no reaction to any of it. Now Here is the news that he came out of Friday, and it matters more than the headline makes it sound about thirty minutes after the shooting, Colt Gray waved his rights and talked

17:07 to a Barrow County investigator for more than an hour. In that interview, he was distraught, He cried, he gasped for air, he apologized over and over again, and he told investigators the shooting was spontaneous last minute, that he had come to school that morning, heard voices, and on his way to get help from the crisis counselor, he simply decided to do it. Barrow County Sheriff's Office investigator Jason Smith testified about what they found on his phone and inside a binder he had been writing. In The notes go back months. Smith called it a pretty detailed plan. There is a page that looks like a hand drawn map of his second period classroom, written alongside it, I am not a killer, and next to that suicide fifty to fifty live. There is a page where he does arithmetic on how many people he expect to kill and how many he expects to injure, broken out by hallway and by classroom, and there is a page laying out a sequence of steps with a line sitting in the middle of it that reads, take a moment or two to stay calm and really think about if I want to do this. Smith testified that the writing mirrored the plan as it was actually carried out. I am not going to read you the rest of that page, and I want to tell you why, because I think the reason matters. There is nothing in the operational detail of a mass shooter's checklist that helps you understand anything. It only helps the next one. What you need is the contradiction, and the contradiction is total. He told police it came

18:40 out of nowhere. He had been writing it down for months. He told police he heard voices on the way to get help. He had already drawn the room, but that one line, take a moment or two to stay calm and really think about if I want to do this. He wrote himself a reminder to consider stopping. He built a pause into his own plan, and then he sat in a bathroom stall for twenty six minutes and did not take it. That is not a mistake, that is a choice. The defense has filed noticed that it plans to call expert witnesses on mitigation this week, and that will almost certainly center on his mental health at the time. Of the shooting. I want to be careful here, and I mean it. That is a real category. Children with serious, untreated mental illness exist. They are not fictional. And Georgia is asking a judge to decide whether a person who was fourteen years old at the time should die in a cell. That is a genuinely hard question, and I am not going to pretend it is easy just because the crime is unforgivable. But here's the thing about the mitigation argument in this specific case. Almost every warning sign that will be raised this week as mitigation for the sun was already argued in this same county as aggravation against the father. The FBI tip in twenty twenty three, the deteriorating mental health, the obsession with other school shooters, nine absences in twenty one days at a brand new school, his mother calling the school counselor that very morning, frantic,

20:11 telling her the boy had access to firearms while he was already sitting in that stall. A jury looked at every bit of that in March and said Colin Gray was criminally responsible for what came next. Both things get to be true. The kid was failed by adults who had every warning available to a human being, and four people are dead because he chose to kill them. Nobody has to pick one. Marcy Gray, Colt's mother, sent a text message to CNN on Friday. She apologized to the families. She said that if she could swap places with their children, she would do it in a heartbeat, and that she understands there is no pain in this world that comes close to losing a child, and then she asked them to reach deep inside their hearts and find compassion for her son. At the time of the shooting, sh did not have custody because of her own struggles with addiction.

21:04 I do not have anything cynical to say about that message. That is a mother with nothing left to offer but a request nobody is obligated to grant. Colin Gray's own sentencing hearing is scheduled to begin Thursday, July thirtieth. We will be on it, Mason Shermerhorn, Christian Angelo, Richard Aspinwall, Christina Iremi when we come back. A man who walked out of a New Jersey courtroom acquitted of killing his neighbor and is going to prison in Florida. Anyway, welcome back, new case for us this morning and I want to walk you through the whole thing properly, because this is one of those stories where the ending only makes sense if you have the beginning. Vineland, New Spring of twenty twenty quiet neighborhood, the kind where the biggest ongoing dispute is usually about a trash can. Zachary Latham was eighteen years old. He had been emancipated at sixteen, enlisted in the New Jersey National Guard shortly after turning eighteen, and was living with his wife and his grandparents. And he had built roughly forty thousand followers on TikTok, mostly by posting videos of expensive cars reving engines in front of the house running the neighborhood's streets fast. Next door lived the Durham family. William Durham Senior, who everyone called Timmy,

22:38 fifty one years old, a corrections officer at Southwoods State Prison, which means he spent his working life inside a facility keeping order, and then came home to a street where a teenager was doing burnouts for content. His wife Catherine, who went by Tiffany, two sons, Billy and Gage. In April of twenty twenty, Tiffany Durham confronted Latham about the speeding, he filmed it, he posted it. It went viral, more than three million views inside a few days, and it became the most popular video on his account. And then he worked the comments section and some of his followers drove out to that neighborhood to harass the neighbors, and at one point the Durham's home address ended up posted in the comments under one of his videos. That is the setup, a feud escalating with an audience watching and a scoreboard attached. May fourth, twenty twenty, police said Latham drove his car at Gage Durham, who was seventeen and on a bicycle. Tiffany said that when she confronted him about it, he gave her a black eye. He was not charged for either of those things. The entire Durham family, unarmed, then walked over to Latham's house to confront him. Latham came out with a four inch knife and a stun gun.

23:52 His wife recorded it on a cell phone. The fight started outside and moved into the garage. Timmy Durham was stabbed multiple times and one of those wounds pierced his lung. He was pronounced dead at the scene at seven forty eight that evening, Latham called nine to one one and told the dispatcher he had been assaulted and jumped, that they came onto his property with guns, that his windpipe was crushed in, that he had been stomped and kicked by about ten people, that they were going to kill everybody. He was treated at a hospital for a concussion and abrasions, and then taken into custody. He was charged with second degree manslaughter, aggravated assault, and weapons offenses, and in April of twenty twenty three, a jury acquitted him of all of it, found that he acted in self defense. I want to be precise here because precision is the whole job.

24:43 That verdict is final. It is not up for reltigation on this show or anywhere else. A jury sat through eight days of evidence, including the body camera footage and Latham's own interrogation video, and they came back not guilty. Under the law. Zachary Latham did not commit a crime in that garage, And William Durham Senior is still dead and his wife and his son still live inside that night, and both of those things are true at the same moment. That is what a self defense acquittal actually feels like from the outside and it is one of the most uncomfortable things this system produces. I am not going to smooth it over for you, but something else was already running in the background. While that case was pending. January of twenty twenty one, Latham was out on pre trial release and had relocated to Florida. A motorist flagged down a state trooper near Fort Myers and said another driver had confronted him and brandished a firearm. According to the report, Latham had threatened a seventeen year old driver with a pellet gun built to look like an assault rifle after allegedly trying to ram the kid's vehicle. He pleaded no contest, was adjudicated guilty on two counts of aggravated assault, and in twenty twenty three, a Lee County judge sentenced him to twenty months. And then there is the case that sent him to prison last week. The victim is a woman, and prosecutors have not named her, and neither will we.

26:06 She met Latham online while he was still living in New Jersey. He moved to southwest Florida, where she lived. They saw each other briefly, she decided she did not want to see him anymore. He did not accept that. According to the State Attorney's Office for Florida's twentieth Judicial Circuit and to a probable cause affidavit reviewed by Court TV, Latham began following her in August of twenty twenty three. He followed her to a doctor's appointment in Fort Myers, forced her to get into her own car, and made her drive him around the city. Detectives wrote it down in plain language, Latham does not like taking no for an answer from the victim. She parked, she tried to get away, she screamed for help. He caught up with her, and he choked her until she lost consciousness. Detectives wrote that she was in absolute fear that she was going to die and believed there was nothing she could do to stop him. According to the affidavit, he told her how easy it would be to kill her, that he could knock her out again, put her in the back seat, and get rid of her in the car and be long gone before anybody found either one. Then he had her drop him off, and he let her go, and after he was arrested, he kept going Prosecutors said he used a teenager as an intermediary to get messages to her.

27:23 The messages threatened her with exposure if she testified, all of our dirty laundry will be on TV. You will have to be present and get cross examined. All of our secrets will be shown text, sex, life, personal things, and it will just be a mess. And then in another message, I may even go pro seed, which means I represent myself. I almost did it for New Jersey. Remember I get to cross examine you, ask you whatever you know. I know the truth and I know what to say. On recorded jail phone calls, according to prosecutors, he said, if only, if only someone could get in contact with her, and then he handed the teenager her phone number. Read that one more time, because I want to make sure it lands. He is threatening a woman with the one thing that scares him least and scares her most. A courtroom, a television camera and him with a microphone and no lawyer between them. He is holding up the acquittal like a trophy and using it as a threat. Look what I walked away from. Look how good I am at this last week? He pleaded guilty.

28:28 He was sentenced as a habitual violent felony offender on the attempt at kidnapping count twelve years in prison with a ten year minimum mandatory, followed by three years of probation on the domestic battery by strangulation count five years running concurrently credit for time served on criminal mischief and on first degree tampering with a witness twelve years, followed by fifteen years of probation, GPS monitoring a DNA sample, and no contact with the victim or her family. Ever, there is a playbook for this, and it does not start with a killing. It starts with a young man who films his neighbors for content, who learns very quickly that an audience rewards escalation, who finds out that he can point a fake rifle at a seventeen year old and get twenty months for it. It runs through a woman being strangled unconscious in her own car by someone narrating out loud how easy it would be to make her disappear. Every stop on that road had a person standing on it. The New Jersey jury answered the only question it was asked, and it answered honestly. Florida was asked a different question, and Florida answered it with twelve years and a ten year floor underneath it. That is daily crime Injustice. For Tuesday, July twenty eighth, twenty twenty six, Judge Charlene Olmato will decide whether the case against David Anthony Burke goes to a jury. The Los Angeles District Attorney has not said whether he will seek death. Burke

29:59 has i leaded not guilty and is presumed innocent. Celeste Reevas Hernandez was fourteen years old and weighed seventy one pounds, and her body was found one day after what should have been her fifteenth birthday. Colt Gray's sentencing continues in winder Georgia, where a judge has two options and no others, and his father is sentenced Thursday. Mason Shermerhorn was fourteen, Christian Angelo was fourteen, Richard Aspinwall was thirty nine, Christina Eiremi was fifty three, and Zachary Latham is going to a Florida prison for twelve years, with ten of them mandatory, for what he did to a woman who told him no. William Durham Senior, who everybody called Timmy, was fifty one years old. If today's show told you something you did not already know. Send it to one person. That is the entire growth strategy of this program. No algorithm, no ad budget, just you handing it to somebody who would want it. And if you are listening on Spotify, drop a comment. I want to know, oh, what you make of a defense attorney asking a medical examiner whether a fourteen year old girl stabbed herself? Is that just the job or is there a line in there somewhere? Tell me I read them, Sam Goes. If you're watching on YouTube, a note on sourcing and on the law before we go.

31:18 David Anthony Burke has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is presumed innocent. Everything described in today's first segment came from testimony at a preliminary hearing, which is a probable cause proceeding, not a trial. No jury has heard this case, and no one has been convicted of anything. Testimony reported here comes from court TV's reporting from inside the courtroom, corroborated against the Associated Press KTLA and Spectrum News. Court TV reported that Burke's defense questioned whether the victim's wounds could have been self inflicted. The deputy medical examiner testified that such a scenario would be expected to produce hesitation marks. This program does not present that theory as fact.

32:01 Colt Gray has pleaded guilty to all fifty five charges. His sentencing hearing was still underway at the time this episode was produced, and a sentence may have been imposed after we recorded. Details of the plea and the sentencing hearing come from Court TV and CNN. Court TV's account spelled the teacher's name as Christina Ermey. CNN and prior court coverage used Christina Iiramy, which is the spelling we have used on the Zachary Latha matter. We have used the sentencing breakdown published by the State Attorney's Office for Florida's twentieth Judicial Circuit, which lists concurrent terms across four counts. Court TV summarized the same disposition more briefly as twelve years followed by fifteen years of probation. Latham was acquitted of all charges in the death of William Durham, Senior in April of twenty twenty three, and this program treats that verdict as final and correct under the law. Court TV's recent recap described the fatal wound is being to Durham's left lung. Medical examiner testimony at the twenty twenty three trial described three stab wounds, including one to the right armpit that pierced the lung, and we have simply described a wound that pierced his lung. The victim in the Florida case has not been named by prosecutors and is not named here. And if today's episode was a hard one to sit with a few resources. If you are struggling or thinking about hurting yourself, you can call or text nine eight eight in the United States anytime day or night. If you are worried about a child,

33:33 the Child Help National Child Abuse Hotline is one eight hundred four to two two four four five three. And if you are in a relationship with somebody who does not take no for an answer, the National Domestic Violence Hotline is one eight hundred and seventy nine nine seven two three three. There is no threshold you have to clear before you are allowed to call. You can just call I am Garrett Fisher until tomorrow do better, wh