April 22, 2026

D4VD CHARGED WITH SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES MURDER; TRACEY GRIST TAKES THE STAND

D4VD CHARGED WITH SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES MURDER; TRACEY GRIST TAKES THE STAND
Plus: four dead girls, a TikTok about wrestling, and a Bay Area town eating itself alive — one year after the fireball on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard.

The d4vd case moves from arrest to formal charge: LA County DA Nathan Hochman announces first-degree murder with three special circumstances — lying in wait, murder for financial gain, and the killing of a witness. The death penalty is on the table. Then to Provo, Utah, where the prosecution rested in the Tracey Grist "family trap" trial and the defense put the sixty-year-old grandmother on the stand as their first witness. She said the texts about strangling her son-in-law were "ridiculous." She said her son is lying to the family. She said a lot of things. And finally, to Fairfax, California — where one driver, four dead teenagers, and a TikTok about wrestling have torn a small town completely apart.

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Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Garrett Fisher. Wednesday, April

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twenty second, twenty twenty six. Let me walk you through this.

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On Monday, we told you that David Anthony Burke, the

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twenty one year old pop singer who performs under the

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stage name spelled D four VD but pronounced David, had

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been arrested at his Hollywood Hills mansion on suspicion of murder.

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We told you LAPD, robbery, and homicide. Took him into

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custody on Friday afternoon. We told you he was being

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held without bail, and we told you the charges would

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be formalized this week. That happened yesterday. District Attorney Nathan

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Hawkman stood at a press conference in Los Angeles and

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laid out what the State of California is accusing David

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Anthony Burke of doing to a fourteen year old girl

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named Celeste Revas Hernandez. First degree murder, continued lude and

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lascivious acts with a child under the age of fourteen,

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and mutilation of human remains, three charges and three special

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circumstances attached to the murder count, any one of which

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makes him eligible for the death penalty. Then to Utah,

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where the prosecution in the Tracy Grist case finished calling

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its witnesses on Monday and rested. The defense got up

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and called its first witness. They called the defendant, sixty

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year old Tracy Grist. The woman prosecutor say masterminded a

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plot to lure her son in law to her house

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and have her son shoot him seven times. Took the

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stand and told the jury none of it was her idea.

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Her texts were just ridiculous. The jokes were just jokes.

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And her son, who was already convicted of this murder

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and is sitting in prison right now, is lying about

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her to keep the family's affection. Of course he is.

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And finally, a story we've never touched on this show,

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but we're going to today because sometimes a case isn't

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about what happens in the courtroom. Sometimes it's about what

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happens to the town afterward. Fairfax, California, affluent Little Maren

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County enclave, about a half hour north of the Golden

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Gate Bridge. Teacher's kid was driving a car full of

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her friends last day April. Car went off the road

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into a tree and burst into flames. Four teenage girls

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died in the fire, the driver survived, got charged with

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misdemeanor manslaughter, and that's where a normal crime story would end,

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except then she got on TikTok and the whole town

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started eating itself. Three stories, a famous twenty one year

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old charge with killing a child, a grandmother in a

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Utah courtroom saying she meant none of it, and a

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Bay Area community they cannot figure out how to grieve

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four dead teenagers without turning on each other. You're listening

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to Daily Crime and Justice. Let's go. So here's where

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we are in the D four VD case. On Friday,

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April seventeenth, LAPD kicked open the gate at David Anthony

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Burke's rented mansion in the Hollywood Hills and arrested him

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on suspicion of murder. We covered that on Monday. Over

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the weekend, the DA's office reviewed everything LAPD had and

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decided what they could charge him with, And on Monday afternoon,

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at two thirty six pm Pacific, Los Angeles County District

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Attorney Nathan Hodgman walked up to a podium and filed

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the formal charges. The lead count is first degree murder

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of Celeste Rivas Hernandez. She was fourteen years old. She

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had been missing since April twenty third, twenty twenty five.

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That is the last day anyone saw her alive. Her

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body was discovered on September eighth, twenty twenty five, decomposing

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in a black cadaver bag in the trunk of a

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black Tesla registered to David Anthony Burke. September eighth would

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have been her fifteenth birthday. He never made it. Alongside

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first degree murder, Burke is charged with continued lewde and

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lascivious acts with a child under fourteen, a pattern sex

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crime count not a single incident, and with mutilating the

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remains of a human body. That last charge is not metaphorical.

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Celeste's arms and legs had been severed and placed in

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a second cadaver bag underneath the first one in the

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trunk of his car. Someone purchased two cadaver bags. Someone

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made that trip to buy them. That is the level

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of premeditation we are dealing with. But the part of

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yesterday's announcement that everyone was waiting for was the special circumstances.

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In California, a first degree murder charge with a special

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circumstance attached makes the defendant eligible for either life without

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parole or the death penalty. It is the only way

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a state case can put someone on death row. Hochman

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announced three of them, Special Circumstance number one Lying in Wait.

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Hoakman said, the evidence will show that Celeste was invited

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to Burke's home in the Hollywood Hills on April twenty third,

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twenty twenty five. That's the last day anyone saw her alive.

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She was fourteen, he was twenty. She went to his

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house and she never came out. Lying in wait in

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California means the defendant watched, waited, and concealed his purpose

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before attacking. Hawkman is saying he lured her Special Circumstance

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number two murder for financial gain. And this is where

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the theory of the case gets very specific. Hoakman said,

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and I'm paraphrasing his press conference language, that the evidence

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will show Burke killed Celeste to maintain his lucrative music career,

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which she was threatening. I'll translate that a fourteen year

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old girl walks into the Hollywood mansion of a twenty

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year old rising pop star with a six figure streaming business,

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and something happens between them. If she talks his careers over.

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The charge is that he killed her to make sure

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she couldn't talk. And special circumstance number three, murder of

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a witness. Holkman said Burt killed Celeste to prevent her

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from being a witness in an investigation, specifically an investigation

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into his sexual abuse of her. Think about what that

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sentence means. The State of California is alleging that there

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was already an investigation into him having sex with a

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fourteen year old and that he killed her to shut

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it down. Any one of those three special circumstances is enough.

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They charged all three. Holkman said yesterday that the DA's

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office has not yet decided whether they will actually seek

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the death penalty. That is a separate determination that comes

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later in the process. But he made sure everyone in

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the room understood that the option is on the table. Look,

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I'm gonna be honest with you. California has not executed

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anyone since two thousand and six. The state has a

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moratorium on execution. It's extraordinarily unlikely Burke ever sees a needle.

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But the charge is the charge, and it tells you

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exactly what the DA thinks of the evidence. He has.

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Hoakman was asked why it took so long. Celeste was

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found in September, they arrested him in April, seven months.

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His answer was worth listening to. He said, when you

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don't have an eyewitness and you don't have a video

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of the killing, you build the case forensically and digitally.

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You examine every piece of physical evidence. You talk to

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cooperative witnesses, you talk to uncooperative witnesses. And we know

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from court filings earlier this year that at least one

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of Burke's associates had to be arrested on a material

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witness warrant for refusing to appear. Hoakman said, his duty

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is not to quote fuel speculation. It's to deliver justice,

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and justice takes patience. There's a playbook for this. Build

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a celebrity case on digital evidence, texts, cell phone tower pings,

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purchase records social media before you arrest, because the minute

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you arrest a famous defendant, the lawyers show up, and

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the money shows up, and the discovery fights begin. The

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DA wanted this thing airtight before they touched him. One

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thing we still don't know cause of death, Hokman said yesterday,

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the Medical Examiner's report remains under court seal. He said

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he plans to formally request that the seal be lifted.

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We should know soon. The rumors have been flying since September,

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some of them quite graphic and, according to LAPD, flatly untrue.

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We'll tell you what the official record says when the

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official record speaks, not before. Lap D Chief Jim McDonnell

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also addressed the media yesterday. He said the investigation was

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driven by one purpose, to secure justice for Celeste Reevas

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Hernandez and the people who loved her. I want you

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to hold on to that. Celeste reevaus Hernandez thirteen when

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her family reported her missing the first time, fourteen when

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she died, fifteen and a day when they found her body.

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A child, not a tabloid headline, not a true crime thumbnail.

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A child. Her family has spent seven months burying her

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in pieces, while a twenty year old singer sold out

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European tour dates. Burke is scheduled for arraignment in Los

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Angeles County Superior Court later this week. He remains in

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custody without bail. Will cover the arraignment when it happens.

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Nobody was paying attention to her now everybody is okay

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to provo Utah the Tracy Grist family trap murder trial.

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We introduced you to this case on Monday. Quick recap,

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so everyone's on the same page. July twelfth, twenty twenty four,

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forty two year old Matthew Rostelli drives nine hours from

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California to his mother in law's house in American four

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d Utah because his wife, Catherine has taken their two

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young children and gone there and he has been told

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she's ready to come home. He gets to the house

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late at night. He walks in his brother in law,

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Kevin Ellis, shoots him seven times. Seven three shots passed

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through the body. Four stay inside. Damage to the right

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and left, lung, heart, diaphragm, liver, stomach spleen, kidney, and ribs.

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That is the medical examiner's list. When police arrive, Kevin

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is standing over the body with his arms folded. There's

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a knife in Matthew's hand, Kevin says self defense. The

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knife is in the wrong hand. Matthew is right handed,

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the knife is in the left Forensic analysts will later

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testify the knife was placed there after he was already dead.

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The knife was purchased online from an Australian manufacturer that

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no longer sells it. The correspondence with the manufacturer is

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on Tracy Grist's phone, not Matthew's, not Kevin's, Tracy's. Kevin

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Ellis has already been convicted. Catherine Ristelli, the wife, has

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already pleaded guilty and testified against her family. Both are

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in Utah State Prison. The only remaining defendant is sixty

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year old grandmother Tracy Grist, who prosecutors say is the

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ringleader of the whole operation. She's charged with murder, criminal conspiracy,

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obstruction of justice, and domestic violence in the presence of

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a child. That's where we left you Monday. Here's what

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happened Thursday, Friday and Monday in that courtroom, days four

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and five of the trial. Day four Friday, April seventeenth,

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the forensic case. The prosecution spent day four putting their

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forensic and digital evidence in front of the jury and

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it was devastating. First up, Patrick Zerpoli, a violent crimes

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and homicide expert. He walked the jury through the three

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D laser scan of Tracy Grist's living room, something called

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a Pharaoh scan, which is essentially a full three dimensional

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reconstruction of the scene based on the physics of where

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Matthew fell, the angle of the entry wounds, and the

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position of his body when police arrived. Zypolei testified that

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the knife found in Matthew's hand could not have gotten

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there during the shooting. If Matthew had been holding the

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knife when he was shot, the knife would have flown

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out of his hand as he fell, or would have

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been underneath him when he hit the floor. Instead, it

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was loosely placed on top of his fingers. Zirpoli's conclusion

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the knife was placed in the victim's hand after he

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was dead. The scene was staged. Then Detective Joseph Nordon

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of the American Fork Police Department took the stand. He's

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the lead investigator. He had a lot to say. First,

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the timeline. The neighbor across the street, Caitlin Laney, heard

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six to eight gun shots and called nine one one

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at ten oh nine pm. Tracy Grist did not call

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nine one one until ten fifteen pm. That is a

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six minute gap. During those six minutes, Tracy Gris admits

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she admitted it on the stand on Monday that she

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checked Matthew for a pulse saw a knife in his hand,

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went upstairs to tell her daughter Catherine what had just happened,

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and came back downstairs before finally dialing six minutes. That

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is a long time to freeze. Next, the air tag.

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Detectives pulled Catherine Rostelli's phone and found texts between her

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and her family members referencing an Apple AirTag labeled truck.

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An AirTag was found on Matthew's pickup. It was placed

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there the day Catherine drove to Utah with the children.

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In other words, they were tracking him. They knew exactly

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when he was going to arrive. Next, the knife purchased

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online Australian manufacturer no longer sold. Correspondence with the manufacturer

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found on Tracy Gris's phone nothing matching that correspondence on

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Matthew Rostelli's phone. Tracy bought the knife that was placed

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in the dead man's hand to sell the self defense story,

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and then the search hit. This is the part of

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the case that gives it the media hook. Detective Nordon

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walked the jury through what Tracy grist had been googling

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in the weeks before the shooting, and what she was

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searching for was the Dan Markel case. Dan Markel if

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you've been living under a rock? Was the FSU law

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professor murdered in his Tallahassee garage in twenty fourteen in

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a murder for hire orchestrated by his ex wife's family.

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Gris searched. Catherine Magbanua mcgbanua is the woman who arranged

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the hit. She searched when is Donna Addelson's next hearing?

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Donna Addelson is the grandmother who paid for the hit

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and got convicted last year. She searched where was Donna

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Addelson arrested? She watched the dateline episode on the Addelsons,

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and after Matthew was dead, she searched, and I am

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not making this up for the it's happening meme. She

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also googled how to get my US passport fast. There's

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a playbook for this. There's literally a playbook, and she

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was studying it. Then the prosecution called Tracy's own daughters,

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not Catherine, the other two Rachel Jorgensen and Tara Lynn Fisher,

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and they proceeded to gut their mother's defense. From the

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witness stand. Rachel testified that the family had a nickname

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for Matthew. They called him Oloff as in the Snowman

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from Frozen because he was so easy to melt down.

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She testified that her mother joked her word in air quotes,

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said like that about killing Matthew before. She testified that

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when she found out Matthew was coming to the house

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that night, she was on edge. She testified that Catherine

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had been having affairs in Utah while still married, and

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she said she personally had no intention of hurting Matthew.

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Then her sister Taralynn took the stand and the prosecution

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played a phone call Kevin Ellis calling from jail after

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his conviction talking to his sister Tara Lynn, and Kevin

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said on the recording played an open court, I should

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have said no. I should have said no to what Kevin.

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I should have said no when Mom asked me to

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shoot him. That was the end of day four. By

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the time the jury went home Friday evening, the prosecution

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had put up a forensic expert who said the knife

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was planted, a detective who laid out a digital breadcrumb

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trail leading directly to the defendant, two of her own

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daughters saying the family joked about killing the victim, and

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a recorded jail call where the actual shooter, says he

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regrets going through with his mother's plan. Day five, Monday,

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April twentieth, prosecution rest defendant testifies. Monday morning, the prosecution

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rested its case. The defense made its routine motion for acquittal,

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the judge denied it, and then, to the surprise of

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approximately nobody, the defense called its first witness, Tracy Grist herself.

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Here is what she told the jury. She said she

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and her daughter Katherine had been talking about Catherine's troubled marriage,

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and she had told Catherine she could come to Utah

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and take some time to think things through. She offered

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her quote a safe space. She insisted she did not

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invite Catherine to Utah to kill her husband. She just

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wanted to help her daughter. She was then asked about

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the text, the ones the prosecution had been hammering on

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for four days. The text where she told Catherine she

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wanted to strangle Matthew, the jokes about killing him that

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her other daughter Rachel had confirmed on the stand, and

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Tracy said, and I want you to really listen to this.

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She said those were just flippant comments. She was frustrated

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she couldn't be physically there for her daughter, so she

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would just say things like, hey, I'll drive nine hours

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and strangle him, because it was ridiculous. That's why she

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could say it like that, she explained, because it was

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so obviously ridiculous. She would never actually do that, of

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course she wouldn't. She was asked about the sushi dinner

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that Catherine had testified about, the one where Catherine said

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her mother and her brother Kevin went out together to

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map out the murder plan. Tracy said no such conversation

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ever happened. What she said she actually did was ask

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Kevin if he would please stay home that night so

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he'd be around the house when Matthew arrived, not to

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shoot him, just to be around in case Matthew and

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Catherine wanted to have a conversation in the living room,

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and in case Matthew was too tired to drive back.

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Tracy said she'd invited Matthew, the man she'd spent weeks

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texting about strangling, to stay over at her house. She

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was asked about the moment Matthew walked through the door.

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She said she was extremely surprised. She said she didn't

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hear the doorbell, she didn't hear a knock, she didn't

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expect him to come inside. That is I want to

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flag this carefully. That is contradicted by the prosecution's own evidence,

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which showed texts in which Catherine gave Matthew the gatecode

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and instructed him to come in. Matthew was not a

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home invader. He was told to walk in. The family's

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own messages prove it. She was asked if Matthew was

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threatening when he arrived. She said, quote, he was just

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kind of jerky. He said, where's Kate. She described a

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man who was tired, confused and asking where his wife.

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Was not a threat. Her answer undercut her son's entire

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self defense theory. She said she sent Matthew upstairs to

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find Catherine, and then she heard the gunshots, and she

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said she walked to the foot of the stairs and

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saw Matthew face down. She asked Kevin what happened, and

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Kevin told her. She says he had a knife. Then

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the six minute gap, she admitted it. She said she

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went upstairs to tell her daughter, she came back down

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and then she called nine one one. She explained this

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by saying, and this is a direct invocation that on

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the fighter flight or freeze spectrum. She freezes. She was stunned.

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She was not moving fast. And then we got to

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the jail call, the one we just played for you

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from day four, the one where Kevin told his sister,

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I should have said no. Tracy's explanation that call never happened.

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Kevin made it up. She accused her own imprisoned son

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of lying to his family. She said he was trying

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to shift blame, that he didn't want to lose the

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quote loving support system of his siblings while he's in jail,

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so he invented the conversation, the phone call that was

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recorded by the jail on tape that the jury has

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now listened to. That call, according to Tracy, simply didn't happen.

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That's not a mistake, that's a choice. The defense is

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going to rest later this week, then closing arguments, then

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the jury, and we will be there for all of it.

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Four dead girls, one TikTok, and the small town that

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ate itself, the Fairfax crash. Last story, and this is

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a hard one because this is not a story about

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a courtroom. This is a story about what happens to

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a community when a tragedy is too big for it

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to hold. Fairfax California, about thirty minutes north of the

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Golden gate Bridge. Population about seven five hundred, Very affluent,

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very small. Everybody knows everybody. Redwoods hiking trails. The kind

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of place where the kids go to the same schools

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and the parents went to those same schools twenty years earlier.

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That is the world. This story takes place in April

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of twenty twenty five. A sixteen year old girl named

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Elsa Laramont Stranchek is driving a Volkswa Antiguan Suv on

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Sir Francis Drake Boulevard near Woodacre. Elsa is the daughter

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of a teacher at the local high school. In her

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car are five of her friends, Olive coren Age fourteen,

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Sienna Cats fifteen, Joscelyn Josie Osbourne fifteen, Ada Kepley fifteen,

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and Marley Barkley fourteen. That is six teenage girls in

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one Volkswagen Suv. The speed limit on that stretch of

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road is forty miles per hour. According to investigators, Elsa

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was doing considerably more than that. The car left the road,

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it struck a tree, and it burst into flames. Olive, Sienna,

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Josie and Ada died in the fire. Elsa and Marley

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were pulled out alive with severe injuries. Marin County investigators

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worked the scene. Here's what they concluded. No alcohol, no drugs.

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The spidometer had frozen at sixty five miles per hour

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when the flames hit it sixty five in a forty.

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The proximate causes, according to police, were speeding and an

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unsafe turning movement. There were no skid marks on the road.

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The surviving passengers, Elsa and Marley, told investigators that an

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oncoming car had swerved into their lane and forced them

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off the road. Police search for that other car. They

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found nothing, no witnesses, no dashcam footage, no evidence that

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other car ever existed. In October, Elsa was charged with

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misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter. That is the highest charge California law

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allows for a sixteen year old driver who caused a

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fatal crash without intoxication. The maximum possible sentence is one

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year in juvenile detention. She has pleaded not guilty. And

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now now is where this case stops being just a

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horrible accident and becomes a story about what grief does

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to a small town. Some of the parents blame Elsa

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Josie Osborne's mother, Christy Batandy's told the San Francisco Chronicle

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that she does not believe the story about the phantom

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oncoming car. She said, and I'm paraphrasing. She knew Elsa

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had to have been driving too fast. Cars don't just

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burst into flames. She's right, they don't. Other parents do

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not blame Elsa. Olive Korn's mother, Gail told the Chronicle

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she believes a reckless driver caused the girls to swerve.

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She said, quote, I feel like someone is responsible for

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killing the girls, and it's not Elsa. She asked, and

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this is in the chronicle. Is somebody getting away with murder?

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Ada Kepley's mother has taken a third path. Linda Kepley

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said she is worried investigators may have gotten something wrong,

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but she's also made peace with never knowing exactly what happened.

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She said, and I think this is the most human

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thing anyone in the entire story has said. If she

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was speeding, she's a teenage girl, and kids speed. We're

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all flawed. Linda Kepley went to see Elsa in the

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hospital before Elsa was ever charged. She came away believing

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that Elsa never wanted any of this to happen. That is,

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three mothers of three dead daughters, three completely different takes

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on who killed their kids in a town of seven

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five hundred people where they all know each other. So

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the lawsuit started flying. Sienna Katz's father sued Elsa, Stranchek

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and Marin County in February, arguing the county created a

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dangerous condition on the road by not installing proper guard rails.

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Olive Korn's family sued the county. Josie Osbourne's family sued

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the county. The lawsuits against the county named the county.

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Only one of the lawsuits, the cat's lawsuit, names Elsa herself.

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The attorneys for Elsa and the county deny all of it.

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A petition circulated to remove Elsa and her mother, the

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teacher from the high school campus entirely. Elsa's mother went

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to court and tried to get a restraining order against

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one of Josie Osborne's close friends, claiming her daughter was

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being harassed. The judge denied it and then came the TikTok.

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After Elsa was released from the hospital, she reshared a

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TikTok video on her account. The video, according to reporting,

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mocked the sport of wrestling. The video reportedly called wrestling

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an excuse to touch people. Josie Osborne, one of the

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four dead girls, loved wrestling. It was her thing, She

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was known for it, and her friends saw the repost

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as Elsa directly mocking a dead girl's passion while that

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girl's family was still planning memorial services. One of Josie's

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close friends, a young man, sent Elsa and her mother

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what the court later described as a hurtful message. He

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was hauled in front of a judge. He told the

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court he sent the message because he found the TikTok

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quote exceedingly offensive. He said Josie's spirit and memory was

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being trampled on, so he typed something angry and hit send.

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That got him a judge. The TikTok got Elsa a

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larger platform. Someone should have said something. Someone should have

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said take the phone away from and the teenager who

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just killed four of her friends in a car crash.

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Someone should have said, maybe now, right now, in this

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exact month, is not the moment to repost a joke

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about a sport one of them loved. But nobody said anything,

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or somebody did, and she didn't listen, and now the

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whole town has a second layer of grievance on top

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of the first layer. And the first layer was already

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about as much as any community could carry. Elsa's mother

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told the Chronicle that her daughter has been the target

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of sustained harassment, flooded with hurtful messages accusing her of

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killing her friends. She said, grief is one thing, sustained

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harassment is another. Marley Barklay's mother, Marley, being the other survivor,

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says her daughter has been accused of lying to police

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to cover for Elsa. Four dead, two survivors, every one

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of them dead or alive, now surrounded by accusation. Marin

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County District Attorney Lori for Golie said her office's job

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is not to resolve the public debate. Her job is

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to ensure the legal process is fair, thorough, and based

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on evidence. That is exactly what a DA should say,

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but it's not what the town wants to hear. The

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town wants someone to say, who killed these four girls?

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And the honest answer, the answer nobody wants, is that

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we may never know for sure whether there was another car.

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We may never know if Elsa was just speeding, or

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if she was distracted, or if she panicked and hit

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the gas instead of the break. The case will be

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tried as a misdemeanor. Whatever comes out of it, the

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families will still disagree about what really happened on Sir

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Francis Drake Boulevard. Here's what I'm gonna say about this one,

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because I think it matters. Four teenage girls are dead.

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A fifth, the driver is sixteen years old and has

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been carrying the guilt or the trauma or both of

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being the one who walked out of the A sixth

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Marley Barclay is fourteen and has been told by her

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own community that she's a liar. None of these kids

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should be navigating this. All of them are, and the

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adults in this town have completely lost the plot. The

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TikTok was a choice, not a mistake, a choice. Whoever

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was supervising a concussed, traumatized sixteen year old's phone access

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in the weeks after she killed four of her friends

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should have done better, and the adults piling on the

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surviving teenagers online they should have done better too. Grief

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does not give anyone a license to torment a child.

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Even a child who did something terrible. There isn't a

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verdict in this one yet. The misdemeanor case is still pending.

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The civil lawsuits will grind on for years. The town

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is going to keep tearing itself apart until it doesn't.

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I'm not sure anyone in Fairfax gets a clean ending.

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I'm not sure anyone deserves one either, because a clean

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ending would mean pretending this didn't happen. Four girls are dead.

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That doesn't clean up. That's daily crime Injustice. Wednesday, April

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twenty second, twenty twenty six. Today we followed a twenty

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one year old pop singer from an arrest on Friday

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to a formal murder charge on Monday, to an arraignment

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later this week with the death penalty on the table

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and a fourteen year old girl at the center of

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the case who will not get to see any of it.

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We watched a sixty year old grandmother take the stand

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in provo, Utah and tell a jury that her texts

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about strangling her son in law were just ridiculous and

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her son's jailhouse confession never happened. And we walked through

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a Bay Area town where four dead teenagers and one

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TikTok have done damage that a misdemeanor trial is not

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going to undo. Three stories. Three reminders that the victims

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Celeste Revas Hernandez, Matthew Rostelli, Olive Coorn, Sienna Cats, Joscelyn Osborne,

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and Ada Kepley were people, not clicks, not characters. People Tomorrow.

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We'll be back until then. Take care of each other,

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and if you're fortunate enough to have your people still

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with you tonight, call them. I'm Garrett Fisher. This is

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Daily Crime and Justice Do Better. Disclaimer. This episode draws

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on court records, LAPD and Los Angeles County District Attorney,

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press statements, reporting from Court TV, the San Francisco Chronicle,

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the Daily Mail, and AI assisted research. We do our

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best to get it right, but we are a podcast,

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not a court room. This is entertainment and commentary, not

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legal fact. We work from Internet sources, tabloids, and public reporting,

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and we acknowledge that some of it may turn out

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to be wrong. When it does, we correct it on air.

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Everything here is our opinion and interpretation of events, offered

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in the spirit of honest, candid conversation about cases that matter.

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Defendants discussed in this episode are presumed innocent unless and

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until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.