Nov. 16, 2025

"CHI OMEGA MASSACRE: TED BUNDY DEFENDS HIMSELF IN THE TRIAL OF THE CENTURY" (Part 2 of 4)

"CHI OMEGA MASSACRE: TED BUNDY DEFENDS HIMSELF IN THE TRIAL OF THE CENTURY" (Part 2 of 4)

Reid Carter covers Ted Bundy's 1979 trial for murdering two Florida State University sorority sisters. June 25, 1979: Bundy acted as his own attorney—cross-examining witnesses, making objections, addressing the jury directly. Prosecution presented Nita Neary who saw Bundy leaving Chi Omega sorority house at 3 AM. Forensic odontologist Richard Souviron testified bite marks on Lisa Levy's buttock matched Bundy's teeth exactly—first time bite mark evidence convicted a murderer in Florida. July 24, 1979: Jury deliberated seven hours—guilty on all counts. Judge Edward Cowart sentenced Bundy to death by electrocution, telling him "Take care of yourself, young man."

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Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Reed Carter. Sunday, November sixteenth,

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twenty twenty five. Yesterday we covered Ted Bundy's cross country

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killing spree. Today the trial that captivated America. June twenty fifth,

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nineteen seventy nine, Miami, Florida, Dade County Courthouse, State of

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Florida versus Theodore Robert Bundy charged with two counts of

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first degree murder for killing Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levey

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at the chi Omega Sorority House, two counts of attempted

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murder for attacking Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler, three counts

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of burglary. The prosecution had witnesses, physical evidence, crime scene photographs,

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bite mark evidence matching Ted's teeth to the wound on

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Lisa Levy's body, and Ted Bundy decided to defend himself.

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He fired his public defenders, told the judge he'd represent himself,

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act as his own attorney, cross examine witnesses, make objections,

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address the jury. He was a law school drop out

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with no degree, no license, no experience, but Florida law

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allowed defendants to represent themselves. Ted thought he was smarter

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than everyone in that courtroom, smarter than the prosecutors, smarter

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than the judge he'd charmed the jury convinced them he

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was innocent, just like he'd charmed his victims. The trial

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lasted five weeks, televised nationally. America watched a serial killer

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defend himself for murder. Ted loved the attention, smiled for cameras,

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gave interviews, acted like a celebrity, not a defendant facing

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the death penalty. July twenty fourth, nineteen seventy nine, the

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jury returned after seven hours of deliberation, guilty on all counts.

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Ted Bundy was sentenced to death in the electric chair,

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but not before he married his girlfriend in the courtroom,

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used an obscure floor or at a law that made

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declarations of marriage legally binding when made in front of

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a judge proposed during his own murder trial. She said, yes,

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they were married. The judge was furious, I'm reed, Carter.

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This is Celebrity Trials. Day two, the trial that made

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Ted Bundy famous and put him on death row. June

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twenty fifth, nineteen seventy nine. Judge Edward Cowart, presiding prosecutor

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Larry Simpson, and assistant state attorney Dan mckever for the state,

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Ted Bundy representing himself with public defenders Margaret good, Lynn Thompson,

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and Robert Haggard as advisory council. Jury selection took a week.

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Ted participated actively asked potential jurors about their views on

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the death penalty, their ability to be impartial, their opinions

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on pre trial publicity. He was calm, professional, articulate. Jurors

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saw a clean cut young man in a suit, not

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a monster. The final jury seven men, five women, all white,

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all willing to impose death penalty if evidence warranted. Opening

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statements began July fifth. Prosecutor Larry Simpson laid out the

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state's case. January fifteenth, nineteen seventy eight, Ted Bundy entered

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the chi Omega sorority house through an unlocked door, beat

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four women with an oak log, killed two, all within

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fifteen minutes, then attacked Cheryl Thomas eight blocks away forty

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five minutes later, left a trail of evidence connecting him

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to all three crime scenes. Simpson told the jury they'd

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hear from eye witnesses, forensic experts, medical examiners, physical evidence,

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including bitemark analysis matching Ted's teeth to wounds on Lisa

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Levi's body. The evidence will show that Theodore Robert Bundy

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is a murderer, a brutal, vicious murderer who killed two

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young women in their sleep. The evidence will prove his

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guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. Ted's opening statement was different.

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He didn't deny being in Tallahassee, didn't deny knowing about

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the Chai Omega murders, but he denied killing anyone. Said

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the state's evidence was circumstantial, that eyewitness testimony was unreliable,

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that bite mark evidence was junk science, that police rushed

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to judgment because they needed to solve these horrific crimes.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the state wants you to believe I'm

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a monster, but I'm just a man, a man who's

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been accused of terrible things, a man who deserves a

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fair trial. Listen to the evidence, carefully, consider it objectively.

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You'll see there's reasonable doubt. He was good, confident, persuasive.

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If you didn't know what he'd done, you might believe him.

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The state called its first witness, Nita Neeri, twenty one

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years old chi Omega sorority sister who returned to the

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house at three am and saw the killer leaving. Nita

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testified she arrived home around three am with her boyfriend,

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walked up to the front door, noticed it was a jar,

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unusual but not alarming. Sometimes sisters forgot to lock it.

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She pushed the door open, stepped inside, heard running footsteps.

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A man emerged from the hallway carrying something, couldn't tell what.

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He was. Crouched down, moving fast, turned toward the door.

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For just a moment, Nita saw his profile, sharp features,

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dark hair. He was maybe five feet away. The man

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opened the door and ran. Nita heard screaming from upstairs.

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Ran to investigate. Found Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler in

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their room, both bleeding, both screaming blood everywhere. Prosecutor Simpson

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asked Nita if she saw the man in the courtroom.

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She pointed directly at Ted Bundy. That's him. I'll never

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forget his profile. Ted crossed examined her, asked about lighting conditions,

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whether she was certain about the identification, how long she

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actually saw the man's face. Nita held firm, I saw

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him clearly. It was you. Next witness, Nancy Dowdy, chi

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Omega house mother, testified she locked the front door at midnight.

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Someone had to have unlocked it from inside or come

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in through a window. Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler testified.

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Both described waking to pain, seeing a man with a

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log standing over them, being hit repeatedly. Cathy's jaw was

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shattered required extensive reconstructive surgery. Karen suffered a broken jaw

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and skull fractures. Both had permanent scarring permanent trauma. Under

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cross examination, Ted asked them to describe their attacker. Neither could.

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Everything happened too fast, too dark, too much pain, but

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they were certain they'd been attacked by the same person

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who killed Margaret and Lisa. The medical examiner testified about

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Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy's injuries. Margaret died from strangulation

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pantehose ligature around her neck, skull fracture from blunt force trauma,

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no defensive wounds. She was likely unconscious before she could

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fight back. Lisa Levy suffered worse blunt force trauma to

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the head, strangulation, vaginal trauma consistent with sexual assault, and

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a massive bitemark on her left buttock. The flesh was

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bitten so hard it left a clear impression of teeth,

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upper and lower jaw, individual tooth patterns. Ted objected repeatedly

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claimed the bitemark evidence was prejudicial, not scientifically valid. Judge

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Coward overruled him the evidence was admissible. Then the state

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called doctor Richard Souveran, forensic odontologist expert in bitemark analysis.

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Doctor Suvian testified he examined the bitemark on Lisa Levy's

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buttock during autopsy, made detailed measurements. The bite showed unique characteristics,

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chipped tooth on the upper right, irregular spacing in the

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lower jaw. Police had obtained a warrant for Ted's dental impressions.

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Ted fought it lost, had to open his mouth while

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a dentist made plaster molds of his teeth. Doctor Suveron

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compared Ted's dental impressions to the bite mark perfect match.

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The chip tooth aligned exactly, the irregular spacing matched precisely.

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He created an overlay transparent sheet with Ted's tooth pattern

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and placed it over the bitemark photograph. Every single tooth aligned,

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in my professional opinion, to a reasonable degree of dental certainty.

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Theodore Bundy made that bitemark on Lisa Levy. The courtroom

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went silent. This was the evidence that connected Ted directly

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to Lisa's body. Not circumstantial, not eyewitness testimony, physical evidence,

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his teeth, his bite, his mark on a murder woman.

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Ted tried to discredit the testimony, asked about error rates

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in bitemark analysis, whether other people might have similar dental patterns,

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whether the impressions could have been contaminated. Doctor Suveran was unshakable.

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The match is definitive. No one else has this exact

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dental configuration. Theodore Bundy bit Lisa Levy. This was the

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first murder conviction in Florida based on bitemark evidence, and

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it was devastating. The state presented more evidence. Pantyhose found

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in Ryl Thomas's apartment matched panti hoose from chi Omega.

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Ted took them from the sorority house to use in

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his next attack. A stolen credit card receipt placed Ted

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in Tallahassee at the time of the murders. Witnesses saw

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a man matching Ted's description near chi Omega that night.

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Ted called no witnesses presented no evidence, just argued the

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state hadn't proven guilt beyond reasonable doubt, but he did

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do something unprecedented, something nobody saw coming. He called Carol

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Anne Boone to the stand. We'll be right back with

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Ted Bundy's courtroom marriage and the verdict that sent him

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to death row. Carol Anne Boone, thirty five years old,

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divorced mother of two, met Ted in nineteen seventy four

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when they both worked at Washington State Department of Emergency Services.

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Became friends, stayed in touch after Ted moved to Utah.

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When Ted was arrested, Carol believed he was innocent, visited

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him in prison, wrote him letters, testified as a character

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witnessed at his Colorado trial. After his second escape, Carol

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moved to Florida to be near him, attended every day

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of his trial. She loved him completely, believed he was framed.

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Thought the evidence was fabricated, that Ted was a victim

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of over zealous prosecutors and police incompetence. Ted called her

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as a defense witness, not to testify about evidence, to

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testify about his character. She told the jury Ted was kind, intelligent, compassionate,

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not capable of murder. The jury wasn't impressed. Then during

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her testimony, Ted did something shocking. He asked her, will

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you marry me? Carol answered yes, Ted said, then I

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do hereby marry you. Judge Cowart was furious started to object,

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but Ted's attorney whispered to him. Under Florida law at

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the time, a declaration of marriage made in front of

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a judge with witnesses present was legally binding. No license required,

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no ceremony needed, just a public declaration. Ted and Carol

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were married in the middle of his murder trial, in

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front of the jury on national television. Why did he

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do it? Control ego media spectacle? Maybe genuine feeling psychopaths

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can form attachments even if they're shallow, or maybe Ted

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thought a wife would make him sympathetic to the jury.

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Look at me, I'm getting married. Murderers don't get married

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during their trials, do they. It didn't work. The jury

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wasn't swayed. If anything, it made Ted look more manipulative.

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July twenty third, nineteen seventy nine, closing arguments, Prosecutor Larry

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Simpson reminded the jury of the evidence eyewitness identification, bite

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mark evidence, physical evidence connecting Ted to the crime scenes,

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medical testimony about the brutality of the attacks. Theodore Bundy

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murdered Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy. The evidence proves it

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beyond any doubt, he deserves to be held accountable. Ted's

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closing argument focused on reasonable doubt. The state hadn't proven

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he was in the chi Omega house. Bite mark evidence

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was unreliable. Eyewitness testimony was uncertain. You must be absolutely

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certain of my guilt before you convict. If there's any doubt,

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any at all, you must acquit. July twenty fourth, nineteen

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seventy nine, the jury deliberated seven hours, returned at ten

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thirty pm. Guilty on all counts, two counts first degree murder,

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three counts burglary, two counts attempted murder. Ted showed no emotion,

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just stared straight ahead. Carol Boone sobbed in the gallery.

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Sentencing phase began immediately. Under Florida law, the jury had

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to recommend either life in prison or death penalty. The

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same jury that convicted him would now decide if he

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should die. The state argued, aggravating factors. Ted killed during

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a burglary. The murders were especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel.

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He showed no remorse, posed a continuing threat to society.

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The defense argued, mitigating factors no prior violent felony convictions.

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In Florida. The Utah and Colorado cases were still pending.

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Ted was young, capable of rehabilitation. Death penalty was too extreme.

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The jury recommended death twice, once for Margaret Bowman's murder,

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once for Lisa Levy's murder. Judge Edward Cowart had final

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say July thirty first, nineteen seventy nine. Sentencing hearing. Ted

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addressed the court, maintained his innocence, said the trial was unfair,

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that he was convicted by media hysteria, not evidence. Asked

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for mercy. Judge Cowart was unmoved, but he did something unexpected.

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He praised Ted's potential. It is an utter tragedy for

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this court to see such a total waste of humanity.

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You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer.

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I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me,

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but you went the wrong way. Partner, Take care of yourself,

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young man. Then he sentenced Ted to death twice, once

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for each murder. Electrocution Florida's electric chair Old Sparky. Ted

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was taken to Florida State Prison death row. His execution

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date was set from March fourth, nineteen eighty, but appeals

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would delay it for almost ten years. One month later,

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Ted went on trial again, this time for murdering twelve

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year old Kimberly Leech. Same pattern, same evidence, same result, guilty,

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death sentence. Ted Bundy had two death sentences, no possibility

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of parole, no hope of freedom. He'd spend the rest

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of his life in a six x nine cell, waiting

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to die. The trial made Ted famous national media coverage, television, interviews, books,

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magazine articles. He became a celebrity, the handsome, charming serial

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killer who defended himself in court, who married his girlfriend

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in front of the jury, who smiled and waved at camera.

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He loved it, the attention, the fame, being the center

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of everything, even if it meant being known as a murderer.

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Years later, FBI profiler Robert Wrestler interviewed Ted on death

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row asked him why he defended himself. Ted said, I

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enjoyed the spotlight. I enjoyed being my own lawyer. I

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enjoyed the challenge. Wrestler asked if Ted understood the victim's

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families were in that courtroom watching him perform, seeing him

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smile and joke and flirt with reporters, watching him marry

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Ted said, I couldn't think about that. I had to

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focus on my defense. No remorse, no empathy, no recognition

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that he destroyed families, just ego, just performance, just Ted

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Bundy playing to an audience. Margaret Bowman was twenty one

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years old, art history major, loved painting, wanted to go

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to law school. Her mother, Eleanor, testified at sentencing, described

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Margaret as brilliant, kind, full of life. She had everything

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ahead of her. Ted Bundy took that away. He took

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my daughter, He took our future. Lisa Livy was twenty

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years old dance major. Performed in university productions. Wanted to

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teach dance to children. Her father testified about the whole

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in their family. Lisa was our sunshine. Every day without

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her is darkness. Ted Bundy murdered her in the most

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brutal way imaginable, and he showed no remorse. None. Kathy

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Kleiner and Karen Chandler both testified about permanent injuries, chronic pain, nightmares,

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fear of sleeping therapy for PTSD. Their lives were never

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the same. Cheryl Thomas testified she could no longer dance,

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Her equilibrium was permanently damaged, Her hearing destroyed, her dream

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career over because Ted Bundy beat her with a log.

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These weren't statistics. These weren't Ted Bundy's victims. They were

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women with names, dreams, families who loved them, and Ted

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destroyed all of it because he was angry at an

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ex girlfriend who rejected him. In nineteen sixty eight, Make

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It Make Sense. That's day two of our Ted Bundy series.

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The trial that captivated America. Ted Bundy defending himself, marrying

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his girlfriend in court, bite mark evidence connecting him directly

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to Lisa Levy's murder, and a jury that needed only

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seven hours to convict Margaret Bowman twenty one, Lisa Levy

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twenty Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler survivors who carry scars forever.

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Cheryl Thomas, her dancing career destroyed, Tomorrow death Row, Ted's confessions,

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the victim's families waiting for justice. And January twenty fourth,

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nineteen eighty nine, The morning Ted Bundy met Old Sparky.

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I'm reed, Carter. This is celebrity trials