Oct. 24, 2025

"CEO KILLER'S THAILAND BRAWL, NBA GAMBLING SCANDAL & CHESS GRANDMASTER'S BULLYING PROBE"

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Reid Carter takes a break from courtrooms to examine celebrities treading on the wrong side of the law. Luigi Mangione allegedly beaten by seven transgender women in Thailand months before assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO - journal reveals planning. Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups arrested by FBI in massive sports betting investigation linked to mafia. Mark Sanchez trial date set for December 11th - former NFL star facing felony battery after stabbing incident with truck driver over parking spot. Russian chess grandmaster Vladimir Kramnik under FIDE investigation after Daniel Naroditsky dies at 29 - accused of year-long harassment campaign that drove American to despair.

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Kalarogashark Media. Good morning, I'm reed, Carter, Friday, October twenty fourth,

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twenty twenty five. Taking a break from the courtrooms today.

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Instead celebrities and people who should absolutely know better finding

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themselves on the wrong side of the law. Luigi Mangone,

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accused of assassinating United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson last December,

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reportedly lost a bar fight to seven transgender women in

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Thailand months before the murder. New York Times reviewed his

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WhatsApp messages and journal entries detailed his missing months in

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Asia before returning to execute his plan. Yesterday morning, FBI

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arrested Miami heat guard Terry Rozier and Portland Trailblazers coach

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Chauncey Billups part of massive sports betting investigation. Six arrests total.

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Billups allegedly tied to illegal poker operation linked to the Mafia.

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Rosier accused of manipulating his own performance to help gamblers

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win big NBA in chaos. Mark Sanchez, former NFL quarterback

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turned Fox Sports analyst, has his trial date set for

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December eleventh, charged with felony battery after allegedly attacking a

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sixty nine year old truck driver over a parking space

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in Indianapolis. Sanchez was stabbed multiple times, still recovering. Truck

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driver claims self defense, and the chess world is mourning.

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American grand Master Daniel Narroditsky dead at twenty nine. International

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Chess Federation investigating Russian former world champion Vladimir Kramnik for

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year long harassment campaign. Accused Naroditsky of cheating without evidence,

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called it a sustained evil attempt to destroy my life.

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Now Naroditsky is dead, I'm read Carter today. When celebrities

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and champions become criminal or bullies, when fame doesn't excuse behavior,

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this is celebrity trials. Let's start with Luigi Mangione. December fourth,

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twenty twenty four, Midtown, Manhattan, six forty five am. United

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Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson walking alone to the Hilton Hotel

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Annual shareholder Conference scheduled for later that morning. A man

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approached from behind, opened fire with a handgun. Bang bang bang.

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Thompson fell, the shooter fled. Police found spent and unspent

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bullet casings at the scene, emblazoned with the words deny, Delay, Depose,

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reference to a book critical of the health insurance industry.

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Five day manhunt. Luigi Mangioni, twenty seven years old, arrested

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at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania, backpack with handgun and ammunition,

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fake ID and a journal. That journal is now evidence

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federal prosecutors obtained it. New York Times reviewed excerpts reveals

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Mangioni's planning, his motivations, his missing months before the murder.

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Mangione was a University of Pennsylvania graduate, wealthy Baltimore family,

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Maryland native, worked in tech, suffered from chronic back pain,

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had spinal fusion surgery. After surgery, according to the Times,

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didn't need pain medication within days. The surgery cleared the

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way for his sprawling tour of Asia in early twenty

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twenty four. February twenty twenty four, manone flew to Tokyo,

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then Thailand in March. Bangkok specifically met two American travelers

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at the Stumble Inn, soccer player Christian Sacchini and his

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unnamed friend. They drank together talked for hours about Sacchini's career,

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artificial intelligence, and the US healthcare industry. Mangione was shocked

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when Saccini told him how much an MRI cost in

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Thailand pennies compared to a man Erica. He couldn't believe it.

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Sacchini told The Times the health care conversation planted seeds,

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but Mangioni also had wild nights in Bangkok. He sent

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WhatsApp messages to his new friends. One message he was

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beaten up by seven lady boys, lost his phone in

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a taxi, sent a photo of his scratched up arm.

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Lady boys English translation of katoi Tai term for transgender woman.

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Details of the fight aren't fully clear, but Mangioni ended

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up on the losing side, seven against one, left with

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visible injuries. After Thailand, Mangione decided not to travel to

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Vietnam with his new friends. Told them in a voice

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memo he wanted to slow down. I think I want

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to stay here for maybe a month and just meditate,

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just hot spring and do some writing. He flew to Japan,

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small village in the Nara Mountains, Tenkawa, stayed at a

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small inn for six days. The inn's owner, Juntaro Mihara,

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told The Times Mangone was the most impressive and tidiest

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guest ever, didn't use electronics, spend time at the bar

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writing in his journal or reading books. I'm just going

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to zen out and do some do some Buddha, Manjoni

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told his friends in another voice note. During his time abroad,

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Mangoni also had a video call with British writer Gerwinder

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Bogel after subscribing to his Substack newsletter. Bogel told The

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Times Mangioni mentioned he was surrounded by people not on

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his wavelength, craved a community of like minded individuals. Then

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Mangioni traveled to Mumbai, India, met writer Josh Dolani, who's

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written about Ted Kazinski, the Unabomber. Dolani advocates creative risk

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in pursuit of beauty, but his clear violence isn't the answer.

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By July twenty twenty four, Mangoni returned to the United

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States lived in San Francisco. His journal entries shifted started

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alluding to plans for fighting injustice. August entry, I finally

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feel confident about what I will do. The details are

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finally coming together, and I don't feel any doubt about

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whether it's right or justified. I'm glad in a way

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that I've procrastinated because it allowed me to learn more

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about UHC United Healthcare. The target. The target is insurance.

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It checks every box. Mangoni wrote another entry discussed a

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plan he called KMD, decided not to go through with it.

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KMD would have been an unjustified catastrophe that would be

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perceived mostly as sick, but more importantly unhelpful. Would do

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nothing to spread awareness slash improve people's lives. Still unclear

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what KMD stood for, but Mangoni rejected it as too extreme. Instead,

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he focused on Kazinski's mistake killing innocent people. He crosses

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the line from revolutionary anarchist to terrorist, the worst thing

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a person can be this This is the problem with

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most militants that rebel against often real injustices. They commit

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an atrocity, either whose horror outweighs the impact of their message,

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or whose distance from their message prevents noormies from connecting

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the dots. Mangione wanted his message clear, wanted his target specific,

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not random innocence, not mass casualties. One CEO. One symbolic

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killing at a shareholder conference that embodies everything wrong with

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our health system October Entry. This investor conference is a

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true windfall. It embodies everything wrong with our health system,

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and most importantly, the message becomes self evident. December fourth,

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Mangoni allegedly executed his plan, shot Brian Thompson three times,

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fled on a bicycle, disappeared five days later, arrested in

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Pennsylvania federal prosecutor seeking the death penalty. Federal charges include

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interstate stalking and using a firearm to commit murder. State

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charges in New York include second degree murder, Pennsylvania charges

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for firearms and forgery. Mangoni pleaded not guilty to all charges.

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His trial scheduled to resume December fifth in New York.

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Here's the pattern. Chronic pain, surgery, travel abroad, radicalization, planning, execution.

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Mangoni went from a privileged Ivy League graduate to an

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alleged assassin, lost a bar fight to seven transgender women

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in Thailand, then decided to kill a healthcare ceo in Manhattan.

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Some people are calling him a hero, romanticizing his actions,

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treating him like a vigilante. But Brian Thompson was a

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fifty year old man, married father of two from Minnesota,

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walking to work, shot in the back. No trial, no jury,

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no defense, just execution. Mangoni may have had grievances about

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the health care system, valid grievances, millions of Americans share them.

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But murder isn't activism, It's terrorism, and the jury will

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decide if Luigi Mangioni is guilty of exactly that. We'll

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be right back with yesterday's FBI bombshell. NBA stars and

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coaches arrested in a massive sports betting investigation tied to

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organized crime. Welcome back to celebrity trials. I'm reed, Carter.

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Yesterday morning, the NBA woke up to chaos. FBI arrested

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Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier and Portland Trailblazers head coach

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Chauncey Billups part of a massive federal investigation into sports

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betting and illegal gambling. Six arrests total. Former Cleveland Cavaliers

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player Damon Jones also arrested in Las Vegas. Members and

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associates of organized crime group among those charged two separate

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but related illegal gambling cases. FBI Director Cash Patel held

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a press conference yesterday morning in Brooklyn, Eastern District of

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New York, prosecuting same office that previously prosecuted former Toronto

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Raptors player John tay Porter for betting on his own

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team and sharing confidential information with gamblers. Let's start with

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Terry Rosier. Thirty one years old, ten year NBA veteran,

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picked sixteenth overall by Boston Celtics in twenty fifteen. Played

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for Louisville Cardinals in college. Spent years with the Hornets.

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Traded to Miami Heat in January twenty twenty four, currently

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in the final season of a four year, ninety six

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point three million dollar contract. March twenty third, twenty twenty three,

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Rosier was playing for the Charlotte Hornets game against New

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Orleans Pelicans. Sportsbooks in multiple states flagged suspicious betting activity

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on Rosier's statistics, specifically prop bets on the under for

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his points, rebounds, and assists. Prop bets are wagers on

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player statistics over under on how many points a player

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will score, how many rebounds, how many assists, popular in

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sports betting. That night, flurry of bets came in on

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Rosier underperforming thirty wagers in forty six minutes from a

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professional better totaling thirteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty nine

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dollars all on the under. Sports books halted betting on Rosier.

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Something was wrong. Rosier played less than ten minutes that game,

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left with a sore right foot, finished with five points,

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four rebounds, two assists, and a foul, well below his

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usual performance. Betters who took the under one big, those

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who bet the over lost, and sports books were furious.

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Posted on social media that something shady was going on.

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March twenty third, twenty twenty three, was Rosier's final game

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of the twenty twenty two to twenty three season with

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the Hornets. Convenient timing, federal prosecutors opened an investigation. January

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twenty twenty five, reports surface that prosecutors were looking into

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whether Rosier manipulated his performances. NBA investigated two found no

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violation of NBA rules at the time, but the FBI

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kept digging. Yesterday, Rosier was arrested at a hotel in Orlando, Florida.

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Miami Heat had just played the Magic the night before.

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Rosier didn't play due to coach's decision. Now we know why.

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Exact charges not immediately disclosed, but sources say Rosier faces

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allegations of illegal gambling and using inside information to place

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unlawful wagers, turning professional basketball into a criminal gambling operation.

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Now Chauncey Billups forty nine years old, Portland Trail Blazer's

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head coach since twenty twenty one. Before that, seventeen year

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NBA career, five time All Star, NBA Finals ENV in

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two thousand and four when the Detroit Pistons defeated the Lakers.

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Nicknamed Mister Big Shot for his clutch performances. Inducted into

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the Basketball Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four, Billups

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was arrested in Oregon yesterday morning. According to ABC News,

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his arrest is part of a separate but related illegal

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gambling case allegedly tied to an illegal poker operation connected

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to the Mafia Poker high stakes games, underground operations, organized crime.

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This is serious. Billups coached the Trailblazers in their season

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opener Wednesday night against the Minnesota Timberwolves, lost the game

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hours later arrested by the FBI. Details of Billups's alleged

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involvement not yet public, but if the FBI is connecting

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him to Mafia tied poker games, this goes beyond betting

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on basketball. This is organized criminal activity. Former Cavaliers player

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Damon Jones also arrested in Las Vegas part of the

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same Investigationation charge is not immediately disclosed. Here's the problem.

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Sports betting is now legal in most states, but there

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are rules. Players can't bet on their own games, can't

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manipulate performances, can't share confidential information with gamblers, can't participate

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in illegal gambling operations. Johntay Porter learned this the hard way.

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Former Toronto Raptors forward, pleaded guilty to wire fraud in

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twenty twenty four, admitted he bet on his team to lose,

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pretended to be hurt so gamblers could win betting on

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him to underperform. Lifetime ban from the NBA. Federal prison

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sentence coming in December. Now, Rosier and Billips face similar allegations.

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If convicted, their careers are over lifetime bans, prison time disgrace.

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This is the second major gambling scandal to hit the

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NBA in two years. League has a problem. Players and

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coaches are violating the most fundamental rule. Don't bet on

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your own sport, don't manipulate games, don't work with organized crime.

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NBA had no immediate comment yesterday, but internally they're panicking.

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How many more players are involved, how many games were manipulated?

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How deep does this go? Sports betting generates billions in revenue,

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but it also creates opportunities for corruption. When players and

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coaches participate, they destroy the integrity of the game. Fans

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lose trust, sponsors pull out, The league suffers. Rosier and

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Billups are presumed innocent. Trial will determine guilt, but the

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evidence looks bad. Sportsbooks flagged suspicious activity, FBI investigated for months,

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Federal prosecutors brought charges. This isn't speculative, this is serious.

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Terry Rozier's final season of his ninety six million dollar contract,

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Chauncey Billups Hall of Fame legacy. Both potentially destroyed all

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because they allegedly couldn't resist the temptation of easy money

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through illegal gambling. Make it make sense. Mark Sanchez thirty

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eight years old former NFL quarterback ten year career Drafted

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fifth overall by New York Jets in two thousand and nine,

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played for Philadelphia Dallas Washington. Retired twenty nineteen. Joined Fox

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Sports as college football analyst. Moved to NFL games as

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analyst in twenty twenty one. October fourth, twenty twenty five,

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Indianapolis Weston Hotel downtown. Sanchez was in town to work

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Fox's coverage of the Colts Versus Raiders game. On October fifth,

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around twelve thirty a m. Sanchez was running in an

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alley near the hotel. Witnesses said he was doing wind

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sprints at night in an alley while smelling of alcohol.

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According to police, Perry Toll, sixty nine years old, was

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working drives for a company that services commercial frying oil.

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Had backed his truck into the Western Hotel's loading dock

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exchanging oil late night work. Sanchez approached told Toll he

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couldn't park there. Surveillance video shows Sanchez climbing into Toll's

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truck cab without permission, uninvited trespassing. Toll tried to call

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his manager. Sanchez blocked him, grabbed his phone, shoved him.

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Toll hit Sanchez with pepper spray self defense. Sanchez was larger, younger, aggressive.

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Toll felt threatened. Pepper spray didn't stop Sanchez. He kept advancing.

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Tole pulled a knife. This guy is trying to kill me.

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Tole told police. The fight escalated. Surveillance video shows Sanchez

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throwing Tole toward a wall, throwing him to the ground.

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Tole said Sanchez threw him into a dumpster. He landed

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on pallets, could only see Sanchez's feet coming at him.

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Toll stabbed Sanchez multiple times chest upper right torso self defense,

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life or death situation. Finally, Sanchez looked a Toll with

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a look of shock, slowly turned around, fled north through

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the alley. Police found Sanchez at Lofmiller's Pub on the

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same block, bleeding from stab wounds. Taken to Esconazi Hospital

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in critical condition, hospitalized in ICU for a week. Toll

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also hospitalized, deep slashed to the side of his face,

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Injuries to his mouth, jaw bleeding profusely, speech affected, other

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functions impaired, permanent disfigurement. Initially, Marion County prosecutors charged Sanchez

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with three misdemeanors battery resulting in injury, public intoxication, unlawful

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entry of a motor vehicle, but after learning the extent

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of Tolly's injuries, prosecutors upgraded the charges felony battery involving

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serious bodily injury, maximum sentence one to six years in prison.

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Sanchez also faces a civil lawsuit. Toll and his attorney's

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filed suit against Sanchez and Fox Corporations, accusing Fox of

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negligent hiring retention and supervision, claiming the network should have

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known about Sanchez's propensity for drinking and or harmful conduct,

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seeking unspecified damages determined at trial. Marion County Prosecutor Ryan

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Mears said it plainly, this was a situation that did

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not need to occur. We are literally talking about people

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fighting over a parking space. Sanchez was discharged from the

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hospital October twelfth, with his arm in a sling. Declined

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to address the allegations. I'm just focused on my recovery

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and i just want to thank the first responders. I

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just want to see my wife. I want to see

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my son, my two baby girls. There'll be a day

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to answer all these questions, and unfortunately, today is not

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that day. Wednesday, October twenty second pre trial conference in

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Marion County lasted two and a half minutes. Sanchez was

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required to attend didn't enter a plea. Defense attorney Tim

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Delaney told the judge, thank you for allowing our client

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to be excused from today's hearing. He's still recovering from

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the injuries. He sustained that process is ongoing. It may

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impact some of the dates. Translation. Sanchez is still hurt,

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still in pain. May not be ready for trial, but

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the judge set the date anyway. December eleventh, eight thirty am.

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Jury trial begins. Another hearing November twentieth, final pre trial

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conference December second. Perry Toll won't face charges. Prosecutors determined

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his actions were self defense. He was working, Sanchez trespassed,

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Sanchez escalated, Tole defended himself. Toley's attorney, Eric May said,

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Toley is back home. Recovering requires extensive medical care, speech

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and functions affected by injuries. He has worked his whole life.

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It's a heck of a thing to see somebody like

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that still working as hard as he was. He's a

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tough son of a gun. Fox Sports has said almost

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nothing publicly brief statement after the incident. Our thoughts and

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prayers are with Mark, and we ask that everyone please

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respect his and his family's privacy during this time. Sanchez

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hasn't worked on any broadcasts since October fourth, off the air,

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possibly permanently. Here's the reality. Mark Sanchez drunk approached a

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sixty nine year old truck driver, trespassed in his truck,

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shoved him, fought him, got stabbed, then fled. If convicted,

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Sanchez faces prison time if he loses the civil lawsuit

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could owe millions in damages. His broadcasting career is over,

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his reputation destroyed, all because he couldn't let a truck

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driver park in a loading dock, All because he was drunk,

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All because he thought he was above the rules. Your

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tax dollars at work coming up. The chess world mourns

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American grand master Daniel Narratsky, dead at twenty nine, and

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the International Chess Federation investigates Russian former world champion Vladimir

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Kramnik for year long harassment campaign. Did cyberbullying kill a

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brilliant young player? Welcome back to celebrity trials? I'm Reed Carter. Monday,

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October twenty first, twenty twenty five, Charlotte Chess Center in

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North Carolina announced the death of Daniel Narraditsky, twenty nine

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years old, American grand master, coach, content creator, beloved member

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of the chess community. Cause of death not disclosed. Family

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requested privacy asked that Narraditzky be remembered for his passion

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and love for the game of chess, and for the

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joy and inspiration he brought to us all every day.

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The chess world shattered, but the shock wasn't just about

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his death, it was about what led to it, who

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led to it. Vladimir Kramnik fifty years old, Russian grand master,

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World chess champion from two thousand to two thousand and six,

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one of the greatest players of his generation, Hall of

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Fame career. For the past year, Kramnik waged a public

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harassment campaign against Daniel Narroditsky accused him of cheating in

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online chess. No substantial evidence, just accusations, relentless, baseless public accusations.

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October seventeenth, Saturday, Naroditsky's final live stream, two days before

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his death, he discussed the lasting impact of Kramnick's allegations

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ever since the Kramnik stuff, I feel like if I

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start doing well, people assume the worst of intentions. The

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issue is just the lingering effect of it. Months earlier,

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October twenty twenty four interview with C Squared podcast, Naroditsky

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was more direct. This is a sustained, evil and absolutely

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unhinged attempt to destroy my life. He is trying to

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ruin my life. He's trying to inflict emotional harm, physical

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harm on me. He knows exactly what he's doing. Indian

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grandmaster Nihal Sarin, who played the last games against Narditsky

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on chess dot Com, told The Indian Express that Naraditsky

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said he was under immense stress due to a lot

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of baseless accusations headed by Kramnik. Of course, now Naroditsky

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is dead and the chess community wants answers. Wednesday, October

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twenty third International Chess Federation, known as FIDE announced its

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investigating Kramnik. President Arkady Dvorkovich released a statement. Human life

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and dignity are fundamental values shared by all of us.

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In recent times, public debate within the chess world has

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too often moved beyond the boundaries of accept harming not

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only people's reputation, but their very well being. When this happens,

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discussions can turn into harassment, bullying, and personal attacks. Dvorkovich

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referred all of Kramnik's public statements made both before and

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after Naroditsky's death to feide's Ethics and Disciplinary Commission for

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independent consideration. We all share responsibility for ensuring that our

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sport remains a space of integrity, respect, and humanity, values

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that must always prevail over hostility and division. Here's what

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Kramnik did. Starting October twenty twenty four, Kramnik began posting

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on social media accusing Naroditsky of cheating. Said his online

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chess performance was statistically impossible, demanded investigations, called him out,

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publicly tagged him in posts, made videos about him. Kramnik

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had no evidence, just statistical analysis he created. Claimed Naroditsky's

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win rate was too high, his moves too perfect, must

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be using a chess engine computer program that generates the

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strongest moves. Naroditsky denied it vigorously. Other grand masters defended him,

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said the accusations were baseless, said Kramnik was wrong, but

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Kramnik didn't stop. He proposed a one hundred thousand dollars

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stake match Naroditsky versus Kramnik, winner takes all, Put up

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or shut up, but Naroditsky didn't respond because engaging would

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legitimize the accusations. So Kramnik published statistics about Naroditsky and others.

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Called his series Cheating Tuesdays, listed players he suspected, demanded investigations.

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Chess dot Com shut down Kramnik's blog on the site

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in twenty twenty three, said he was spreading baseless allegations

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about many dozens of players, But Kramnik moved to x

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formerly Twitter, kept posting, kept accusing, kept harassing. Naroditsky wasn't

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Ramnik's only target. Czech grandmaster David Navara faced similar accusations.

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Navara shared on his blog that Kramnik's public attacks pushed

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him to consider suicide. Wrote to FIDE requesting sanctions. Nothing happened.

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Kramnik responded by accusing Navara of defamation. After Naroditsky's death,

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Kramnik posted on X don't do drugs, implied Narraditsky died

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from substance abuse, called for police investigation into his strange

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recent stream before death. The chess community exploded. Five time

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world champion Magnus Carlson called Kramnick's harassment campaign appalling, said

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he'd privately supported Naraditsky but probably should have done so

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publicly as well. Hikaru Nakamura, top ranked American chess player,

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said he was devastated, directed explatives at Kramnik on his

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live stream. Nihalsarin told the press he has kind of

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literally take a life. I sincerely hope that Kramnik gets

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some big sanctions. He really needs to pay for what

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he's doing to others. Popular chess content creator Anna Kramling

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pleaded with FIDE to do something about Vladimir Kramnik. Your

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actions now will be remembered from the chess world for

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years to come. Do everything in your power to make

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sure justice is served for Daniel Narroditsky and all other

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people who become victims of Kramnik's cyber bullying. Kramnik has

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defended himself, told Reuters what public statement after the death

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of Daniel was incorrect. I have not bullied Daniel Narroditsky

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nor ever made personal insults towards him. Claims he's the victim.

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Says he's received death threats, slandering, pr campaign against him.

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Says he's a whistleblower trying to clean up online chess cheating.

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But here's the pattern. Kramnik accuses player of cheating, provides

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no real evidence, Player denies it. Kramnik escalates posts more

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tags them, harasses them publicly. Player suffers mental health consequences.

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Kramnik claims he's the victim. David Navara suicidal after Kramnik's accusations,

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still alive but struggling. Daniel Naroditsky dead at twenty nine,

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how many more before five acts. According to FIDE's anti

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cheating laws, the Federation may sanction players who make unfounded

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accusations based on emotion or insufficient data, but they haven't

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until now. June twenty twenty five, Phi Dee responded to

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