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Celebrity Trials is kicking off season two with a new
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host and new name. Hey, I'm Garrett Fisher, and starting
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March sixteenth, I'll be the new host on Daily Crime
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and Justice. It's the same great show, now with extra
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crime and extra justice. In the meantime, Please enjoy this
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encore performance of one of Celebrity Trials classic episodes. See
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you on March sixteenth. We'll miss you, Read Carter and
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wish you the best.
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Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Read Carter, and welcome
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back to Celebrity Trials. Yesterday we explored how two privileged
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brothers from Beverly Hills became convicted killers. Today we're diving
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into something even stranger, how those same killers became TikTok heroes,
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Netflix stars and possibly future free men. Because here's what's
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wild about the Menendez case. It won't stay in the past.
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Every generation READISCS, covers it and sees something different. In
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nineteen ninety six, when Lyle and Eric were sentenced to
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life without parole, that seemed like the end of the story.
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Two rich kids had murdered their parents for money, tried
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to blame it on abuse, and justice was served. Case closed.
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Except the case never really closed. It just waited. Waited
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for America to change its mind about male sexual abuse,
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waited for social media to turn true crime into entertainment,
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waited for new evidence to surface, and waited for a
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Los Angeles District attorney willing to take another look. On
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May thirteenth, twenty twenty five, just two months ago, Los
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Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Jessich did something that
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would have been unthinkable in nineteen ninety six, he resentenced
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the Menendez brothers to fifty years to life, making them
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immediately eligible for parole. After thirty five years behind bars,
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Lyle and Eric Menendez suddenly had what they'd given up
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on hope. But as I record this on Sunday, August third,
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twenty twenty five, Eric Menendez isn't preparing for his parole
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hearing in eighteen days. He's in a hospital bed with
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what his family describes as a serious medical condition. His attorney,
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Mark Geragos is pushing for an emergency medical furlough, and
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America is once again debating whether two admitted killers deserve freedom.
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Let me tell you how we got here. How two
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of America's most hated criminals became causes celebris, How Netflix
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and TikTok succeeded where million dollar defense lawyers failed, and
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why the Menendez brothers might actually walk free before the
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year is out. After their convictions in nineteen ninety six,
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Lyle and Eric Menendez disappeared into the California prison system.
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They were sent to separate facilities, the California Department of
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Correction's way of preventing them from coordinating stories or causing
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trouble together. For years, the brothers, who'd done everything together,
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including murder, couldn't even speak to each other. But here's
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what's interesting about their time inside. By all accounts, they
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were model prisoners, not just well behaved, actually productive. Both
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earned college degrees, Both became peer counselors. Both got married
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because yes, even convicted parent killers can find love through
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prison pen pal programs. Eric married Tammy Sackerman in nineteen
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ninety nine. She'd started writing him after watching the trials,
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and she's been his most vocal advocate ever since. Lyle
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married twice, first to Anna Erikson in nineteen ninety six,
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though she divorced him when she found out he was
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writing to other women. He married Rebecca snead in two
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thousand and three, and before you ask, no, California doesn't
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allow conjugal visits for life without parole. Inmates, these marriages
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are about as physical as a zoom relationship. In two
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thoasenty eighteen, after more than twenty years apart, the brothers
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were reunited at Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility in San Diego.
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Witnesses say they burst into tears when they saw each other.
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Here were two men in their late forties who'd spent
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more than half their lives in prison, hugging like the
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boys they'd been when they decided to kill their parents,
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And that image two middle aged men who'd been boys
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when they committed their crime is crucial to understanding how
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public perception began to shift. In May twenty twenty three,
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something happened that would have seemed impossible during the original trials.
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New evidence supporting the brother's abuse claims surfaced, and it
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came from the most unexpected source. Roy Rosello, a former
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member of the Puerto Rican boy band Menudo, came forward
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in the Peacock docuseries Menudo plus Menendez Boys betrayed his
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allegation that Jose Menendez had drugged and raped him in
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the nineteen eighties when he was a teenager. Let me
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put this in context for you. Menudo was the bts
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of the nineteen eighties Latin music world. They were massive,
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and Jose Menendez, as an executive at RCA Records, had
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power over their careers. Rossello claims that Jose assaulted him
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in a New York hotel room and that this wasn't
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an isolated incident with the band. Now one allegation from
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decades ago doesn't prove the Menendez brothers were abused, but
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it does something crucial. It establishes that Jose Menendez may
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have been exactly the predator his sons claimed he was.
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It provides independent corroboration that the successful executive had a
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pattern of abusing young boys. But wait, there's more, because
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attorney Robert Rand, who's been investigating this case for decades,
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found something in twenty eighteen that could have changed everything
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if it had surfaced earlier. A letter allegedly written by
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Eric Menendez to his cousin Andy Cano months before the murders.
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The letter, which Rand says he found an addresser in
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ca Hanno's bedroom, appears to show Eric discussing the abuse.
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The exact contents haven't been made fully public, but court
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documents indicate Eric wrote about the abuse getting worse than
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his fear of his father. Think about what this means.
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The prosecution's whole case rested partly on the idea that
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the abuse allegations were fabricated after the murders as a
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legal strategy. But if Eric was writing about abuse months
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before he killed his parents, that destroys that narrative. It
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suggests the abuse claims weren't made up for trial, they
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were the ongoing reality the brothers were living with. Of Course,
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former DA Nathan Hawkman, who took office after these developments,
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isn't buying it. He's compiled a list of what he
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calls sixteen unacknowledged lies the brothers have told over the years.
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He points out that self defense claims don't work when
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you buy guns in advance and ambush your parents while
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they're watching TV. He's got a point, But here's what
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Hawkman is up against. Public opinion has shipped did dramatically,
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and a lot of that shift has to do with
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how we consume true crime. In twenty twenty five, back
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in a moment. In September twenty twenty four, Ryan Murphy,
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the guy behind American Horror Story and Glee, released Monsters
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the Lyle and Eric Menendez Story on Netflix. It was
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the second season of his true crime anthology following the
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Jeffrey Dahmer series, and just like with Dahmer, Murphy's show
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turned a decade's old case into water cooler conversation. But
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Eric Menendez wasn't happy about it. In a statement released
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through his wife, he called out the show's horrible and
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blatant lies and accused Murphy of taking the case back
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to an era when the prosecution built a narrative on
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a belief system that males were not sexually abused. Here's
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what's fascinating. Eric's criticism of the show might have done
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more for his cause than the show itself. It reminded
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people that these weren't just characters in a Ryan Murphy production.
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They were real people, still alive, still in prison, still
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maintaining their abuse claims after thirty five years. Then in
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October twenty twenty four, Netflix doubled down with a documentary
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simply titled The Menendez Brothers. This one featured actual prison
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interviews with Lyle and Eric, no actors, no dramatization, just
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two middle aged men in prison uniforms telling their story.
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The timing couldn't have been better for the brothers or worse,
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depending on your perspective, because suddenly everyone was talking about
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the Menendez case again, and this time the conversation was
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very different than it had been in nineteen ninety six.
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TikTok exploded with Menendez content gen Z creators, most of
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whom weren't even born when the murders happened, and started
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making videos defending the brothers. The hashtag Menendez Brothers has
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billions of views. Young people who've grown up in an
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era of hashtag me too and greater awareness of male
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sexual abuse victims saw the case through completely different eyes
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than the nineteen nineties jury. The TikTok argument goes something
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like this, the brothers were abused children who killed their abusers.
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They've served thirty five years. Actual child molesters often get
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less time free them. It's simplified. Sure, it ignores the premeditation,
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the brutality, the lies, but it resonates with a generation
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that's more willing to see victims as complex and violence
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as sometimes understandable, if not justifiable. October twenty fourth, twenty
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twenty four, Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon dropped a bombshell.
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After reviewing the new evidence, the shifting cultural understanding of
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male sexual abuse, and the brothers exempt flurry behavior in prison,
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he was recommending resentencing. Gascon's reasoning was careful and political.
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He said, I don't believe that manslaughter would have been
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the appropriate charge given the premeditation that was involved, But
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he also added, I do believe that the brothers were
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subjected to a tremendous amount of dysfunction in the home
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and molestation. Translation, they're guilty of murder, but maybe not
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the kind of murder that requires life without parole. The
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reaction was immediate and predictable. Victims' rights advocates were furious.
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How could the DA recommend leniency for two men who'd
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admitted to shotgunning their parents, But supporters, including more than
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twenty Menendez family members, were ecstatic. Joan Vandermuhlen Kitty Menendez,
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his own sister, held a press conference saying, if Lyle
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and Eric's case was heard today, with the understanding we
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now have about abuse and PTSD, there is no doubt
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in my mind their sentencing would have been very different.
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Think about that the murder victim's own sister was advocating
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for her killer's release. That's how much the narrative had shifted.
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But then came a plot twist worthy of Murphy's show.
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In November twenty twenty four, Gascon lost his re election
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bid to Nathan Hakman, a former federal prosecutor who ran
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on a tough on crime platform. Hawkman made it clear
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he opposed the resentencing, calling the abuse claims fabricated and
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the brother's various explanations over the years lies. For a moment,
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it looked like the brother's hopes had died with Gascon's
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political career, but the legal process had already been set
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in motion, and on April eleventh, twenty twenty five, Judge
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Michael Jessex ruled that the resentancying could proceed despite Hawkman's objections.
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Then came May thirteenth, twenty twenty five, Judge Jesich resentanced
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the brothers to fifty years to life. Because they committed
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their crimes when they were under twenty six, they immediately
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became eligible for parole after thirty five years. The Menendez
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brothers finally had a realistic path to freedom, but freedom
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isn't guaranteed. They still need to convince a parole board
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that they're no longer a threat to society, and that's
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where things get complicated. Back in a moment. As I
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speak to you on August third, twenty twenty five, Lyle
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and Eric Menendez are just eighteen days away from the
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most important hearings of their lives. On August twenty first
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and twenty second, they'll face the California Parole Board. If
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they can convince the board they're rehabilitated, they could be
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free by fall. But Eric might not make it to
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that hearing. He's currently hospitalized with what his family describes
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as a serious medical condition. His attorney, Mark Geragos, the
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same guy who defended Michael Jackson and Chris Brown, is
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pushing for an emergency medical furlough. He wants Eric released
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immediately for medical treatment and to prepare for the parole hearing.
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It's a dramatic turn that even Ryan Murphy couldn't have scripted.
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After thirty five years in prison, Eric Menendez might get out,
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not because of changing attitudes about abuse, not because of
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TikTok campaigns, but because he's too sick to stay inside. Meanwhile,
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Nathan Hashman isn't giving up. He's submitted a recent psychological
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evaluation that found the brothers at moderate risk of committing
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violence if released. He's compiled his list of sixteen lies
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to present to the parole board. He's fighting this release
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with everything he's got. But here's what Hawkman is really fighting.
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A cultural shift that's bigger than any one case. In
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nineteen ninety six, male sexual abuse victims were punchlines, not
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sympathetic figures. The idea that boys could be raped by
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their fathers was something people didn't want to believe. The
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Menendez brothers were rich kids who killed for money, end
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of story. In twenty twenty five, we live in a
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different world. We've seen powerful men exposed as predators. We've
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learned that abuse victims don't always act the way we expect.
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We've recognized that trauma can make people do terrible things.
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The Menendez brothers haven't changed we have. Does that mean
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they should go free. That's for the parole board to decide.
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But I'll tell you this, if Eric and Lyele Menendez
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walk out of prison this year, it won't just be
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because of new evidence or good behavior. It'll be because
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America itself has changed its mind about who deserves sympathy
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and who deserves a second chance. You know what strikes
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me most about revisiting this case. It's not how much
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has changed, it's how the fundamental question remains the same.
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Do abuse victims who kill their abusers deserve mercy, and
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if so, how much? The Menendez brothers have no now
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spent more time in prison than they spent free. They
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went in as young men and might come out as grandfathers.
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They've earned degrees, counseled other inmates, maintained marriages without physical
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contact by any measure except the one that matters most,
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bringing their parents back. They've been rehabilitated, But Jose and
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Kitty Menendez are still dead, still shot multiple times at
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close range by their own children. No amount of TikTok
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videos or Netflix documentaries changes that fundamental fact. What has
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changed is our capacity for nuance. In nineteen ninety six,
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you were either team prosecution their greedy killers or team
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defense their abuse victims. In twenty twenty five, most people
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acknowledge it can be both. They can be killers and victims.
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They can deserve punishment and mercy. They can be guilty
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and sympathetic. The parole board will have to weigh all