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Celebrity Trials is kicking off season two with a new
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host and new name. Hey, I'm Garrett Fisher, and starting
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March sixteenth, I'll be the new host on Daily Crime
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and Justice. It's the same great show, now with extra
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crime and extra justice in the meantime. Please enjoy this
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encore performance of one of Celebrity Trials classic episodes. See
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you on March sixteenth. We'll miss you, Read Carter and
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wish you the best.
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Warning. This episode contains references to sexual situations that may
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be disturbing to some listeners. Please proceed with caution. Callaroga
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Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Read Carter and welcome back
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to Celebrity Trials. Right now, R Kelly sits in a
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North Carolina federal prison claiming that officials are trying to
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have him murdered by white supremacist inmates. It's a desperate
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allegation from a man serving thirty one years for some
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of the most heinous crimes in entertainment history. This is
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the story of how federal prosecutors finally brought down the
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pied Piper of R and B and how his current
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claims of assassination. Plots reveal the mindset of a predator
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who still can't accept responsibility for his crimes, because sometimes
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the most telling thing about a criminal isn't what they did,
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it's how they act when they finally get caught.
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After R.
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Kelly's two thousand and eight acquittal in Chicago, federal investigators
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knew they needed a different approach. The traditional route charging
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individual acts of abuse had failed because Kelly's victims were
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too traumatized or intimidated to testify against him. So they
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decided to treat Kelly exactly like what he was the
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head of a criminal organization. The federal strategy was brilliant
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in its simplicity. Instead of focusing on individual crimes, prosecutors
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would use the Racketeer, Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act RICO,
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the same law used to tell take down mob bosses
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and drug cartels. Under RICO, they didn't need to prove
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every single act of abuse. They just needed to prove
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that Kelly ran an enterprise, his entourage, his management company,
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his staff for the primary purpose of committing crimes, and
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boy did they have evidence. The federal investigation revealed that
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Kelly's operation was exactly what surviving R. Kelly had depicted
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a systematic machine designed to identify, groom and abuse young people,
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but the scope was even more horrifying than anyone had imagined.
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For nearly three decades, Kelly had operated what prosecutors called
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the Enterprise, a network of managers, bodyguards, drivers, personal assistants,
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and enablers who facilitated his crimes. These weren't just employees,
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they were co conspirators in a criminal operation. The Enterprise
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had specific functions identify potential victims at concerts and other events,
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arranged travel and lodging to bring them to Kelly, isolate
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them from family and friends, and enforce Kelly's rules through
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intimidation and control. Kelly had created a detailed system of
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control that would make a cult leader proud. Victims were
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required to call him Daddy. They needed permission to eat, sleep,
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or use the bathroom. They were forbidden from looking at
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or speaking to other men. They had to wear baggy
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clothes when not with Kelly to hide their bodies from others.
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Most disturbing of all, Kelly recorded many of his sexual
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encounters with victims. But these weren't just trophies. They were
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insurance policies. If anyone tried to leave or speak out,
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Kelly could threaten to release the recordings and destroy their reputations.
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The investigation uncovered text messages that revealed the systematic nature
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of Kelly's operation. His staff would text about moving packages
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their code word for victims. They discussed Kelly's rules and
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how to enforce them. They coordinated the isolation of victims
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from their families. But the most damning evidence came from
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Kelly himself. Prosecutors had recordings of Kelly explaining his system,
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boasting about his control over victims, and giving detailed instructions
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about how to break down a person's independence. In one
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particularly disturbing recording, Kelly forced a victim to recruit other
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women for him. When she hesitated, he berated her and
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threatened consequences if she didn't comply. The federal case also
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revealed the true scope of Kelly's crimes. The original focus
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had been on his abuse of girls and young women,
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but investigators discovered that Kelly had also abused boys. One
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victim testified that he met Kelly at a McDonald's when
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he was just seventeen years old. Kelly's method with male
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victims was the same as with females. Identify vulnerable young
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people with dreams of musical success, promised to help their careers,
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then systematically groom and abuse them. By the time federal
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prosecutors were ready to move forward, they had evidence spanning
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twenty five years and involving dozens of victims. They had
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documented financial crimes, obstruction of justice, bribery, and systematic abuse.
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Most importantly, they had convinced multiple victims to testify. August eighteenth,
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twenty twenty one, United States versus Robert Sylvester Kelly began
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in federal court in Brooklyn. For six weeks, the most
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intimate and disturbing details of Kelly's crimes would be laid
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bare in open court. The first witness was Johanda Pace,
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one of the subjects of Surviving R. Kelly and the
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first of Kelly's accusers to ever testify against him in court.
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Her testimony set the tone for everything that followed. Pace
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described meeting Kelly when she was just sixteen years old.
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She testified about how Kelly groomed her, isolated her from
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her family, and objected her to increasingly violent sexual abuse.
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She described being slapped, choked, and raped. On cross examination,
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Kelly's lawyers tried to undermine her credibility by pointing out
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that she had lied about her age when she first
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met Kelly, telling him she was nineteen when she was
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actually sixteen. But Pace's response was devastating. She had signed
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a statement saying she deceived Kelly about her age because
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it was a condition of the settlement Kelly paid her
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to keep quiet. In other words, Kelly had paid her
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to lie about lying about her age. Eleven witnesses testified
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about Kelly's abuse, including two men who described being sexually
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abused when they were sixteen and seventeen years old. But
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the testimony went beyond individual acts of abuse. It painted
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a picture of a systematic operation designed to exploit vulnerable
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young people. Eight members of Kelly's staff testified, corroborating the
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victim's accounts and providing details about how the enterprise operated.
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They described Kellylly's rules, his methods of control, and their
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own roles in facilitating his crimes. The most devastating evidence
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was Kelly's own recordings. The jury was shown videos that
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depicted Kelly delivering painful spankings to victims and forcing them
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to perform degrading acts. In one lengthy recording, Kelly demanded
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acts of coprophagia and europhagia, forcing a victim to eat
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feces and drink urine to humiliate and degrade her. According
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to prosecutors, at least three women were forced to make
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videos of themselves eating feces and rubbing it on their bodies,
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all at Kelly's direction. The defense strategy was essentially to
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argue that everything was consensual, that Kelly's victims were willing
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participants in an unconventional lifestyle, but this argument crumbled under
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the weight of evidence showing systematic coercion, threats, and violence.
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Kelly himself chose not to testify, probably the smartest decision
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his legal team made during the entire trial. September twenty seventh,
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twenty twenty one, after six weeks of testimony and just
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two days of deliberation, the jury returned a verdict of
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guilty on all nine counts. The verdict was swift and decisive,
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guilty of racketeering and eight violations of the Man Act,
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which prohibits transporting people across state lines for illegal sexual activity.
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Gloria Allred, who represented several victims, said Kelly was the
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worst sexual predator she had pursued in her forty seven
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year career practicing law. Back in a moment, Welcome back
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to celebrity trials. I'm Reed Carter, and we're examining how R.
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Kelly's federal conviction exposed the full scope of his criminal enterprise.
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June twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, Kelly was sentenced to
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thirty years in federal prison for his racketeering and sex
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trafficking convictions. Judge Anne Donnelly described Kelly's actions as calculated
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and carefully planned and regularly executed for almost twenty five years.
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During the sentencing hearing, seven women were permitted to address
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the court with victim impact statements. According to reporters present,
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Kelly refused to look at them as they spoke about
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how his abuse had destroyed their lives. But the legal
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system wasn't finished with Kelly yet. While his New York
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trial was proceeding, federal prosecutors in Chicago had been building
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their own case. This one focused specifically on Kelly's production
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of child pornography and his alleged obstruction of justice in
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his two thousand and eight state trial. August seventeenth, twenty
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twenty two, Kelly's Chicago federal trial began. The centerpiece of
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this case was the same victim from the two thousand
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and two video, now an adult woman, testifying under the
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pseudonym Jane. For the first time, Jane testified about what
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Kelly had done to her. She told the court that
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Kelly began grooming her for sexual abuse when she was
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just thirteen years old. Presenting himself as a benevolent godfather figure,
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Jane described how Kelly induced her to recruit other girls
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for abuse, creating a network of victims who became complicit
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in their own exploitation. She testified that Kelly sent her
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to travel to the Bahamas and Cancun to keep her
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away from law enforcement when the two thousand and two
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investigation began. Most importantly, Jane testified that Kelly had coaxed
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her to lie to a grand jury during the two
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thousand and eight case, explaining why she had refused to
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testify against him. Then September fourteenth, twenty twenty two, Kelly
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was convicted on six of thirteen charges, including three counts
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of producing child pornography and three counts of enticing miners
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for sex. He was acquitted of trial fixing charges related
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to his two thirds thousand and eight state trial. February
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twenty third, twenty twenty three, Kelly was sentenced to twenty
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additional years in federal prison for the Chicago convictions. However,
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Judge Harry Leinenweber ruled that nineteen of those years would
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run concurrent with his New York sentence, adding only one
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additional year to Kelly's total time. Kelly's combined federal sentence
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thirty one years in prison at fifty six years old.
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When sentenced, Kelly will likely spend the rest of his
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life behind bars. April twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Kelly
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was transferred to the Federal Correctional Complex in Butner, North Carolina,
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where he remains today. But if you thought conviction and
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sentencing would lead Kelly to accept responsibility for his crimes,
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you'd be wrong. Instead, he spent his time in prison
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spinning increasingly desperate conspiracy theories about why he's really there.
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June twenty twenty five, Kelly's lawyers filed an emergency motion
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claiming that Bureau of Prison's officials had orchestrated a murder
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plot against him. According to the motion, on April eleventh,
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two aryan brotherhood gang members Michael Glenn Stein and David
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Keith Harris were allegedly approached by prison officials and instructed
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to kill Kelly. The motion includes a sworn declaration from Stein,
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who claims he was promised freedom in exchange for murdering
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Kelly due to his terminal cancer diagnosis. Instead, Stein allegedly
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told Kelly about the plot. But that's not all. Kelly's
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lawyers also claim that after Stein refused to kill Kelly,
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prison officials administered an overdose of Kelly's medication, requiring hospitalization
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for blood clots. They alleged he was forcibly removed from
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Duke University Hospital against medical advice. The federal judge handling
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Kelly's case was not impressed. Judge Martha Pecold denied Kelly's
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emergency request for release, noting that Kelly offered no evidence
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to back up his claims and that federal courts have
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limited power in such cases. Government lawyers called Kelly's allegations
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a fanciful conspiracy, but Kelly's legal team isn't giving up.
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They filed multiple motions seeking to vacate his convictions based
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on alleged prosecutorial misconduct. They claimed that Kelly's pre trial
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cell mate was working as a government informant feeding information
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to prosecutors. Even if true, this wouldn't change the fact
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that Kelly was convicted based on overwhelming evidence of systematic
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abuse spanning decades. Kelly's attorney has even suggested they will
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seek a presidential pardon, claiming that Kelly is a victim
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of criminal weaponization of the DOJ against public figures. You
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know what's most telling about Kelly's current prison claims, Even now,
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facing thirty one years behind bars, he still can't accept
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responsibility for what he did. It's always someone else's fault.
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Prosecutors who fabricated evidence, prison officials who want him dead,
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informants who betrayed him, a justice system that's out to
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get him. Everyone except the man who spent three decades
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systematically abusing children. The same narcissism that made Kelly believe
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he could abuse victims with impunity now has him convinced
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that he's the real victim of some elaborate conspiracy. This
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is classic predator behavior. They never accept responsibility, They never
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showed genuine remorse. They always position themselves as the victim,
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even when facing overwhelming evidence of their crimes. Kelly's prison
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conspiracy theories are just the latest chapter in a thirty
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year pattern of deflection, denial, and victim blaming. But here's
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what makes the Kelly case particularly important. It shows how
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our justice system can work when we stop making excuses
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for powerful predators. The federal prosecutors who brought down Kelly
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didn't have any evidence that wasn't available in two thousand
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and eight. They had the same victims, the same pattern
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of abuse, the same systematic exploitation. What they had that
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earlier prosecutors didn't was a culture that was finally ready
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to believe victims over celebrities. Kelly's convictions weren't the result
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of new evidence. They were the result of a new
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understanding of how power abuse and trauma actually work. For
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three decades, Kelly's victims were dismissed as gold diggers, liars,
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and troublemakers. The Me Too movement and surviving R. Kelly
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didn't reveal anything new. They just presented old truths in
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a way that society was finally ready to hear. R.
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Kelly's story is about more than one predator's downfall. It's
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about how our culture protected powerful men for far too long,
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how victims were silenced and discredited, and how it took
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a seismic shift in our understanding of abuse and power
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for justice to finally prevail. Today, Kelly sits in a
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federal prison where he belongs, spenning conspiracy theories about assassination
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plots while serving thirty one years for crimes that were
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hiding in plain sight for decades. His victims, meanwhile, are
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finally free to rebuild their lives without fear of his retaliation.