March 1, 2026

Best of season 1 - Epstein/Maxwell - "THE CLIENT LIST THAT NEVER WAS: Why Pam Bondi's Promises Crumbled"

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Reid Carter concludes our explosive Jeffrey Epstein series with the trial that finally brought justice - and the recent political scandal that's dividing Trump's own supporters. From Maxwell's desperate Supreme Court appeal to Attorney General Pam Bondi's botched handling of the "Epstein files," discover why the promised revelations never materialized and what it means for the hundreds of victims still seeking answers. Plus, the shocking DOJ memo that claims there was never a client list - so who were these children trafficked to? When political promises meet criminal reality, the truth becomes the first casualty. Justice isn't always transparent, but it's absolutely riveting.

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Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Read Carter and welcome

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to Celebrity Trials. Yesterday we explored how Galaine Maxwell became

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Jeffrey Epstein's enabler in chief, building a systematic operation to

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sexually exploit miners across multiple decades. Today we're examining how

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this criminal enterprise finally collapsed, the trial that brought justice,

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and the recent political controversy that's left even Trump supporters

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demanding answers, because this week we learned that all those

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promises about client lists and massive revelations were apparently just

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political theater, and the victims, the people who suffered the

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real consequences of this operation, are still waiting for the

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whole truth. Jeffrey Epstein's world began unraveling in twenty nineteen,

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more than a decade after that infamous sweetheart plea deal

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should have ended his criminal career. On July sixth, twenty nineteen,

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Epstein was arrested again on federal charges for the sex

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trafficking of miners in Florida and New York, but Epstein

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would never face trial. He died in his jail cell

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on August tenth, twenty nineteen. The medical examiner ruled that

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his death was a suicide by hanging, though Epstein's lawyers

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have disputed the ruling and there has been significant public

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skepticism about the true cause of his death. With Epstein dead,

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prosecutors turned their attention to his longtime accomplice. Only six second,

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twenty twenty, Galaine Maxwell was arrested at a remote property

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in New Hampshire, where she had been hiding since Epstein's death.

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Maxwell was charged with conspiracy to entice miners to travel

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to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport miners

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to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a miner to

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participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking, conspiracy, and sex

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trafficking of a miner. The charges covered a decade of

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systematic abuse from at least nineteen ninety four to two

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thousand and four, and involved victims across multiple states and countries.

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Maxwell's trial began in November twenty twenty one, and for

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four weeks, the world got an inside look at how

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two sophisticated predators had operated for years with virtual impunity.

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The prosecution's case rested primarily on the testimony of four

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women who had been abused as miners. These women, now adults,

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described in devastating DearS detail how Maxwell had recruited them,

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groomed them, and delivered them to Epstein for abuse. Their

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role was really the most significant in the trial by far,

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explained former federal prosecutor Moira Penza. That was really the

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crux of the government's case. Here was the testimony of

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those four victims, while being corroborated by other witness testimony

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and other evidence. The victims described how Maxwell would approach

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them when they were vulnerable, often from troubled backgrounds or

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difficult family situations. She would befriend them, take them shopping,

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ask about their lives and families. She made them feel special,

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chosen important. But this wasn't kindness it was predatory grooming.

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Maxwell was systematically breaking down these girls defenses, making them

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trust her, making them feel indebted to her and Epstein.

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Annie Farmer, the only victim to use her real name

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during testimony, described how Maxwell had normalized sexual bease behavior

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and made abuse seem routine. Other victims testified about being

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trained to satisfy Epstein's sexual demands, with Maxwell often present

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or participating. But perhaps most damaging was the testimony about

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how Maxwell turned victims into recruiters. The operation was designed

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to be self perpetuating. Each victim was encouraged to bring friends,

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expanding the network of available children. Maxwell's defense team tried

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multiple strategies. They argued she was a scapegoat for Epstein's crimes.

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They attacked the victim's memories and motivations. They brought in

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experts on false memories. They suggested the victims were biased

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because they couldn't get justice against Epstein after his death.

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When you have those attacks on sexual abuse victims, especially

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ones who are miners, I think we have seen that

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really is not persuasive to a jury, noted Prosecutor Penza

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on December twenty ninth, twenty twenty one, one, after five

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days of deliberation, the jury found Maxwell guilty on five

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of six counts. The verdict was clear Galaine Maxwell was

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Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime, not his victim. On June

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twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, Maxwell was sentenced to twenty

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years in federal prison. At the sentencing hearing, four women

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spoke in court to describe the long lasting effects of

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Maxwell's and Epstein's abuse. Before being sentenced, Maxwell finally spoke

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publicly about the case, but even then she couldn't bring

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herself to take full responsibility. Jeffrey Epstein should have been

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here before all of you, Maxwell said at the podium,

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her legs shackled. It is not about Epstein. Ultimately, it

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is for me to be sentenced. Maxwell acknowledged that she

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had been convicted, but stopped short of taking responsibility. I

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am sorry for the pain that you've experienced, Maxwell said.

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Annie Farmer said she didn't believe Maxwell's statement of apology

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was sincere. Another victim, identified only as Kate, said Maxwell's

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final insult was her lack of remorse after being found guilty.

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You could have put an end to the rapes, the molestations,

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the sickening manipulations that you arranged, witnessed, and even took

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part in, Kate said in court. US attorney Damian Williams said,

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today's sentence holds Gallaine Maxwell accountable for perpetrating heinous crimes

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against children. This sentence sends a strong message that no

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one is above the law and it is never too

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late for justice. Maxwell is currently serving her sentence at

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a low security federal prison in Tallahassee, Florida, and is

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eligible for release in July twenty thirty seven, but she's

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not going quietly. In September twenty twenty four, the Manhattan

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based Second US Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Maxwell's conviction

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and twenty year sentence. The court rejected Maxwell's claim that

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Epstein's two thousand and seven agreement with federal prosecutors in

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southern Florida shielded her from being prosecuted in New York.

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The court also rejected Maxwell's claims that her trial was

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tainted because one juror did not disclose that he had

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been sexually abused as a child. We are obviously very

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disappointed by the court's decision, and we vehemently disagree with

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the outcome. Maxwell's lawyer said in a statement, we are

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cautiously optimistic that Glaine will get the justice she deserves

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from the Supreme Court of the United States. In April

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twenty twenty five, Maxwell asked the U. S. Supreme Court

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to overturn her sex trafficking conviction, arguing she was covered

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by a non prosecution agreement the government made with Epstein

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in two thousand and seven. Despite the existence of a

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non prosecution agreement promising in plain language that the United

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States would not prosecute any co conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein,

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the United States in fact prosecuted Maxwell well as a

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co conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein. Her attorneys wrote, it's a

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desperate legal argument that essentially admits Maxwell was Epstein's co

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conspirator while arguing she should be immune from prosecution. Back

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in a moment. Now Here's where this story takes a

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bizarre political turn that's angered Trump supporters and raised serious

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questions about government transparency. During his twenty twenty four campaign,

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Donald Trump suggested he would seek to open up the

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government's files on Jeffrey Epstein. Once in office, he directed

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Attorney General Pam Bondi to review and potentially release what

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many believed would be explosive revelations about Epstein's elite connections.

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On February twenty first, twenty twenty five, Bondai appeared on

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Fox News and made a stunning claim. When asked about

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releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients, Bondi said, it's

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sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been

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a directive by President Trump. This wasn't vague political speak.

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Bondi was explicitly claiming she had Epstein's alleged client list

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in her possession and was reviewing it for public release.

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The announcement sent shockwaves through conspiracy theory circles and Trump's base,

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who had long believed the government was hiding damaging information

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about powerful figures connected to Epstein. On February twenty seventh,

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twenty twenty five, the Justice Department finally released what it

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called the Epstein Files Phase One. The rollout was pure

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political theater. MAGA influencers were called to the White House

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and handed binders titled the Epstein Files Phase one before

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the documents were even posted online. But there was one

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huge problem. The files contained virtually no new information. The

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just US Department said it was making the document's public

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to show its commitment to transparency, But the first phase

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of declassified files largely contained documents that had been previously

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leaked but never released in a formal capacity by the

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US government. Trump supporters, who had been promised explosive revelations

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were furious the documents were mostly flight logs and evidence

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lists that had already been public through Maxwell's trial and

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various civil lawsuits. Conservative activists began demanding to know why

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Bondi had hyped this release as containing major revelations when

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it was clearly recycled information. Then this week, the other

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shoe dropped. On July seventh, twenty twenty five, the Justice

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Department in FBI released a memo that completely contradicted everything

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Bondi had been promising. The memo stated this systematic review

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revealed no incriminating client list. There was also no credible

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evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent in Davis as part

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of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could

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predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. The memo also

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confirmed that Epstein died by suicide and said no further

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charges would be filed in connection with the case. Think

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about what this means. For months, Bondi had been telling

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the American people she had Epstein's client list on her desk.

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She had promised massive revelations. She had suggested criminal prosecutions

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were coming. Now the same Department of Justices saying there

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never was a client list, There's no evidence of blackmail.

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No one else is getting charged. The response from Trump

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supporters was swift and brutal. Savannah Hernandez, a Turning Point

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USA contributor, wrote on x why did Pam Bondi get

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in front of the entire nation and say she had

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the Epstein client list on her desk? She should step

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down as Attorney General for lying to the American public.

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Conservative activist Robbie Starbuck wrote, pambond said the Epstein client

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list was on her desk to review for release to

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the public just a few months ago. Now the DOJ

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says there is no client list, So what was on

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her desk? Was she lying to us? Or was she

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lied to? Even more damaging was this observation. Gilain Maxwell

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is in prison for twenty years for sex trafficking kids

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with Epstein, and the DOJ and FBI just said that

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there is no client list. He didn't blackmail nobody, and

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nobody else is getting charged, so they sex trafficked kids

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to nobody. This is where the government's position becomes completely absurd.

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Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking miners for Jeffrey Epstein.

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The evidence at trial showed they had a systematic operation

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that lasted for decades and involved hundreds of victims. But

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now the government is claiming there's no evidence that anyone

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else was involved, that Epstein and Maxwell created this massive

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trafficking operation just for Epstein's personal use. The flight laws

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alone contradict this. We know powerful people flew on Epstein's plane,

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visited his properties, and socialized with him for years. We

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know from victim testimony that some of these people participated

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in abuse. But apparently the DOJ and FBI couldn't find

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evidence worth prosecuting after millions of dollars in investigations and

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access to all of Epstein's records. Either our law enforcement

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agencies are incompetent or they're protecting people. Neither explanation is acceptable.

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What's most infuriating about this memo is how it dismisses

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legitimate questions as conspiracy theories. The memo states that one

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of the government's highest priorities is combating child exploitation and

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bringing justice to victims, before adding perpetuating unfounded theories about

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Epstein serves neither of those ends. But these aren't unfounded theories.

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These are questions based on evidence presented at trial, victim testimony,

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and documented can between Epstein and powerful figures. When Pam

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Bondi claimed she had a client list on her desk,

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was she lying, was she confused? Or did someone tell

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her to walk back those claims. At Monday's White House briefing,

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Press Secretary Caroline Levitt claimed that Bondi hadn't actually been

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referring to a client list when she said she had

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a client list on her desk. According to Levitt, she

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was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all

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of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. That's

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not what Bondi said. The Fox News host specifically asked

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about the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients, and Bondi said,

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it's sitting on my desk right now to review. Here's

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what really happened. Trump's administration promised to expose the deep

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state and reveal hidden truths about elite corruption. The Epstein

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case was perfect for this narrative. A wealthy predator with

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connections to powerful people who seemed to escape Justine for years,

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but when they actually got access to the files, they

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discovered the same thing previous administrations discovered. Either the evidence

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to prosecute other powerful figures doesn't exist, or pursuing it

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would implicate people the current administration wants to protect. So

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instead of admitting this, they created a political theater release

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that promised everything and delivered nothing. They gave their supporters

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recycled documents and called it transparency. When that didn't work,

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they released a memo claiming there never was anything defined,

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contradicting their own earlier promises and leaving their most loyal

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supporters feeling betrayed. The victims of this circus are the

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same people who have been victimized throughout this entire saga.

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Epstein and Maxwell's actual victims who are still waiting for

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the whole truth about who else was involved in their abuse.

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But there's another group of victims here. Trump supporters who

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trusted their government to tell them the truth about this case. Instead,

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they got political theater followed by bureaucratic gaslighting. The Jeffrey

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Epstein case represents everything wrong with how our system handles

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elite crime. A wealthy predator and his sophisticated accomplice systematically

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abused children for decades, protected by money connections, and a

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justice system more concerned with protecting the powerful than serving victims.

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Gilaine Maxwell is serving twenty years in prison, which is appropriate.

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Jeffrey Epstein escaped earthly justice through death, but hundreds of

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questions remain unanswered, and the recent political theater around the

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client list has only deepened the wounds. The victims who

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courageously testified against Maxwell deserve better. They deserve the truth

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about everyone who participated in or enabled this operation. They

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don't deserve to be told their continued questions are conspiracy theories.

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Maxwell's conviction was justice, but it wasn't complete justice, and

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until we have answers about everyone else who was involved,

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the victims will never have true closure. That concludes our

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two part series on the Jeffrey Epstein case. I'm read, Carter.

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Remember when the powerful close ranks to protect each other,

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the truth becomes the first casualty. Justice isn't always complete,

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but it's absolutely riveting. Thanks for joining us for this series,

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and we'll see you back here tomorrow.