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Caalaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm read Carter, and welcome
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back to Celebrity Trials. Today, Blake Lively will walk into
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a conference room in New York City for what could
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be the most important few hours of her career. Her
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deposition in the Justin Baldoni case isn't just about sexual harassment.
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It's about something far more sinister, a coordinated campaign to
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destroy her reputation that reads like a Hollywood thriller, except
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the victims are real and the stakes are a woman's
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career and livelihood. Yesterday we explored how It Ends with
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Us went from passion project to toxic workplace. Today we're
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diving into what happened next, how a sexual harassment complaint
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exploded into a four hundred million dollar legal war that
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makes the Johnny Deppen Amber Heard Battle look like a
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warm up act. This is the story of how modern
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reputation warfare works, how crisis pr has become a weapon
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of mass destruction, and how two celebrities turned the American
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legal system into their personal battlefield. Because in twenty twenty five,
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when someone accuses you of misconduct, you don't just deny it.
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You try to destroy them. So completely that no one
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will ever believe them, and Blake Lively is about to
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learn that the hardest part of speaking up isn't finding
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your voice, it's surviving what happens when powerful people decide
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to silence you. For months, after It Ends with Us
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wrapped production and dominated the box office, both Blake Lively
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and Justin Baldoni maintained their professional facades. They did their
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separate press tours, avoided appearing together, and let the rumor
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mill do what rumor mills do, speculate wildly about what
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really happened. But behind the scenes, things were escalating because,
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according to Lively's legal team, Baldoni and his associates weren't
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content to just move on from the production. They were
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allegedly planning something much more strategic and much more devastating.
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December twentieth, twenty twenty four, Blake Lively decided she'd stayed
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quiet long enough. That's the day she filed a complaint
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with the California Civil Rights Department, formally accusing Justin Baldoni
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of sexual harassment and creating a hostile work environment during
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the filming of It Ends with Us. But this wasn't
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just about inappropriate behavior. On set. Lively also alleged something
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that would transform this from a typical Hollywood harassment case
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into something unprecedented, a coordinated retaliation campaign designed to destroy
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her reputation. According to her complaint, mister Baldoni and his
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Wayfarer associates embarked on a sophisticated press and digital plan
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in retaliation for miss Lively's complaints about his conduct. Now,
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let me explain what this means in plain England. Lively
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wasn't just saying that Baldoni behaved inappropriately on set. She
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was alleging that when she complained about that behavior, he
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and his team launched what's essentially a modern warfare campaign
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against her reputation, using social media influencers and crisis PR
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firms to make her look like the problem. This allegation
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caught the attention of The New York Times, which launched
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its own investigation, and what they found was stunning. The
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Times reported on December twenty first that they had obtained
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thousands of pages of text messages, emails, and other communications
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that allegedly showed a coordinated effort to damage Lively's public image.
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These weren't just casual conversations between friends. These were strategic
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communications between Baldoni, his publicists, and crisis management specialists about
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how to protect Baldoni by making Lively look unreliable, difficult,
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and vindictive. The Times described what they called an astroturfing campaign,
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the practice of making coordinated messaging look like organic grassroots opinion.
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Think of it as the difference between actual public sentiment
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and manufactured public sentiment designed to look real. According to
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the reporting, this campaign allegedly involved hiring crisis pr specialist
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Melissa Nathan, Yes, the same Melissa Nathan who worked with
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Johnny Depp during his successful defamation case against Amber Heard.
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Nathan and her team allegedly worked with publicist Jennifer Abel
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and crisis guru Matthew Hiltsick to implement what Lively's lawyers
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describe as a sophisticated plan to discredit her. Here's how
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modern reputation warfare works, folks. You don't just deny the
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allegations against you. You flip the script entirely. You make
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the accuser look like the real problem. You question their motives,
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their credibility, their mental state. You suggest they're doing this
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for attention, for money, for revenge. And if you do
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it using a network of seemingly independent voices, podcasters, influencers,
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social media personalities who all happen to be saying very
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similar things about your accuser. The goal isn't just to
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defend yourself, it's to make the accuser regret ever speaking
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up in the first place. But Blake Lively wasn't backing down.
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On December thirty first, twenty twenty four, she formalized her
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California complaint into a federal lawsuit filed in New York,
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turning up the legal heat significantly. And that's when Justin
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Baldoni made a decision that would either vindicate him completely
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or destroy him utterly. He decided to fight back with
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everything he had. January sixteenth, twenty twenty five, Justin Baldoni's
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legal team filed what can only be described as a
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nuclear option, a four hundred million dollar lawsuit against Blake Lively,
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Ryan Reynolds, and their publicist, Leslie Sloane. Four hundred million
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million dollars. Let me put that in perspective for you,
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that's more than some country's GDP. That's by a small
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island money. That's I'm going to destroy you so completely
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that your great grandchildren will still be paying lawyers money.
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The allegations in Baldoni's countersuit were explosive. He accused Lively
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of extortion, defamation, and invasion of privacy. But more than that,
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he painted a picture of Lively as a manipulative diva
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who had essentially hijacked his film and was now trying
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to destroy his career with false accusations. According to Baldoni's lawsuit,
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Lively had robbed him and Wayfarer Studios of control of
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It Ends with Us. The suit claimed she had made
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wrong headed creative decisions that reflected her fundamental lack of
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understanding of the book, and had inserted herself into the
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production process in intrusive ways. But here's where it gets
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really interesting. Baldoni's team ledge that Lively never even read
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the book the movie was based on. Think about that
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for a moment. Their claiming the star of a film
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about domestic violence didn't bother to read the source material
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about domestic violence. It's either a devastating indictment of Lively's
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professionalism or a desperate attempt to undermine her credibility. The
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lawsuit also made serious allegations about that January fourth, twenty
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twenty four, meeting we discussed in yesterday's episode. Remember, Lively's
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team characterized this as an emergency meeting to address a
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hostile work environment, but Baldoni's lawyers painted it very differently.
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According to their version, Baldoni and his team went to
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Blake and Ryan's penthouse expecting a normal production meeting. Instead,
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they were allegedly blindsided by what they describe as a
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list of demands that amounted to extortion. They claim, Ryan
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Reynolds launched into a tirade, berating Baldoni in what Baldoni
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later described as a traumatic encounter. Now we haven't heard
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Ryan Reynolds's side of this story yet, but the idea
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that Deadpool himself traumatized someone with his words is either
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very serious or very ironic, depending on your perspective. But
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Baldoni wasn't done. His legal team also filed a separate
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two hundred and fifty million dollar libel lawsuit against The
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New York Times for their investigative reporting on the alleged
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smear campaign. They accused the Times of running false and
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defamatory stories and essentially acting as Lively's mouthpiece. So let's
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do the math here. Baldoni was simultaneously claiming that Lively
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had falsely accused him of harassment, extorted him for creative control,
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defamed his reputation, and somehow convinced The New York Times
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to publish lies about him. According to his legal theory,
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Blake Lively was essentially a criminal mastermind who had orchestrated
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an elaborate conspiracy against him. The response from Lively's legal
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team was swift and brutal. They called Baldoni's lawsuit desperate
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and predicted it will fail. But more importantly, they doubled
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down on their original allegations, suggesting that the four hundred
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million dollar lawsuit was itself proof of the retaliation campaign
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they had accused Baldoni of running. Meanwhile, Hollywood was picking sides.
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Gwyneth Paltrow, Amy Schumer, Paul Feig, Caitlin Olsen, and interestingly,
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Amber Heard all voiced support for Lively. The fact that
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Amber Heard, who lost her own defamation case against Johnny Depp,
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was supporting Lively wasn't lost on anyone following this story.
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But here's what's fascinating about the celebrity support. These weren't
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just random statements of solidarity. These were strategic moves by
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people who understood that this case could set precedents for
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how harassment allegations are handled in Hollywood. Going forward, back
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in a moment, Welcome back to sele celebrity trials. I'm
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Red Carter, and we're examining how the Blake Lively and
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Justin Baldoni legal war became a test case for post
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me to justice. So there we were in early twenty
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twenty five, two massive lawsuits, hundreds of millions of dollars
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in damages being sought, and two careers hanging in the balance.
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Both sides had hired the most expensive lawyers money could buy.
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Both sides were leaking to friendly media outlets. Both sides
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were absolutely convinced they were going to win. But sometimes
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the legal system has a way of cutting through all
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the noise and getting to the truth. And on June ninth,
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twenty twenty five, Federal Judge Lewis J. Lyman did exactly
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that in a decision that sent shockwaves through Hollywood. Judge
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Lyman dismissed Justin Baldoni's entire four hundred million dollar lawsuit
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against Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. Not part of it,
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not some of it, all of it. The judge's reasoning
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was dea devastating to Baldoni's case. He ruled that lively
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Sexual harassment allegations were legally protected under California law, specifically
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legislation passed in the wake of the Number Me Too movement.
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In other words, the law specifically protects people who make
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harassment complaints from being sued for defamation simply for making
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those complaints. Judge Lyman wrote, even if they turn out
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to be unneeded, an employee can insist on protections at
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workplace for sexual harassment without being accused of extortion. If
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an employer exceedes, it cannot later claim to be a
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victim of the employee's wrongful threats. Translation, you can't agree
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to harassment protections during production and then later claim you
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were extorted into agreeing to them. The judge also dismissed
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Baldoni's lawsuit against The New York Times, ruling that the
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alleged facts indicate that the Times reviewed the available evidence
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and reported, perhaps in a dramatized manner, believed to have happened.
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The Times had no obvious motive to favor Lively's version
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of events. In legal terms, this was a complete victory
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for Lively. In practical terms, it was a humiliation for Baldoni.
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But here's where the story takes another unexpected turn. Baldoni's
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legal team had until June twenty third to amend their
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claims and refile the lawsuit standard procedure when a case
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gets dismissed, you fix the problems and try again. Instead,
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Baldoni's team announced they weren't going to refile at all.
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They were giving up on the four hundred million dollar
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lawsuit entirely. Now. This is either a sign that they
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realized their case was hopeless, or it's a strategic retreat
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while they pursue what they cryptically called additional legal options.
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Either way, it was a stunning reversal for a legal
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team that had been talking tough just weeks earlier. Lively's
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response was swift and pointed. In a statement, her lawyers
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called the judge's decision a total victory and a complete
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vindication and describe I've the four hundred million dollar lawsuit
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as a sham that the court saw right through. But
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Lively herself got more personal. She posted on Instagram about
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the pain of a retaliatory lawsuit and said she was
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more resolved than ever to continue to stand for every
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woman's right to have a voice in protecting themselves. But
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if you thought the dismissal of Baldoni's lawsuit meant this
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story was over, you'd be wrong, because Blake Lively's legal
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team was just getting started. In the weeks following their
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courtroom victory, Lively's lawyers launched what can only be described
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as a digital archaeology project. They began serving subpoenas to
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media personalities and influencers who had been particularly vocal in
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their criticism of Lively during the height of the controversy.
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Perez Hilton, the celebrity blogger who had built a career
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on Hollywood Gossip, received a subpoena. Candace Owens, the conservative
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political commentator who had weighed in on the case, got
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one too, So did Andy Signora, a YouTube personality who
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had covered the story extensively. Now you might wonder why
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Lively's team was going after people who aren't even parties
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to the lawsuit. The answer lies in her original allegation
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about the coordinated smear campaign. Her lawyers are trying to
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prove that these seemingly independent voices were actually part of
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an orchestrated effort to damage her reputation. Think about it.
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If you can show that multiple influencers and media personalities
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all started saying very similar things about Blake Lively at
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the same time, and those talking points happened to align
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with a crisis pr strategy, you might have evidence of coordination.
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This is modern legal warfare, folks. It's not enough to
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win the main case. You have to expose the entire
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apparatus that was allegedly working against you. The subpoenas are
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asking for all communications between these media figures and Baldoni's team.
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They want to see text messages, emails, payment records, anything
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that might show cored nation or compensation for favorable coverage.
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And here's what makes this particularly interesting. None of these
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people were required to participate in this alleged campaign. If
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they were truly offering independent commentary, they have nothing to hide.
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But if they were being fed talking points or compensated
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for their coverage, that's a very different story, which brings
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us to today, when Blake Lively will finally have to
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answer questions under oath about all of these allegations. Depositions
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aren't trials, but they're often more important than trials. In
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a deposition, there's no jury to perform, for no judge
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to appeal to. It's just the witness, the lawyers and
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a court reporter taking down every word, and perjury laws
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apply just as much in depositions as they do in courtrooms.
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Brian Friedman, Baldoni's lawyer, has made it clear what he
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plans to do during this deposition. In a June interview
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with TMZ, he said, I'm going to ask her questions
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under penalty of perjury, and she's going to have to
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prove evidence, and she's going to have to provide the