Sept. 30, 2025
8 Days of O.J. - "DNA EVIDENCE NO ONE UNDERSTANDS: When Science Met Skepticism and Lost" - Day 5
Reid Carter examines May 1995 - the month that presented astronomical scientific proof of O.J. Simpson's guilt that somehow became meaningless statistics. Barry Scheck's contamination symphony makes jurors distrust DNA evidence showing one-in-170-million odds of innocence. Dr. Robin Cotton can't translate complex science into plain English while the jury's eyes glaze over. The Bronco becomes a mobile crime scene with hair, fibers, and blood everywhere. O.J.'s cellmate claims he dreamed of killing Nicole while his arthritis defense says he was too crippled to commit murder. Thirty-one days proving that being scientifically right doesn't matter if you can't make twelve people understand why you're right.
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Caalerogushark Media. This is Reed Carter, Tuesday, September thirtieth, twenty
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twenty five, Day five of eight days of OJ. We're examining.
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May nineteen ninety five the month science went to war
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with skepticism and lost. The month DNA evidence that should
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have guaranteed O J. Simpson's conviction became just another reason
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to doubt the system. May was the month prosecution presented
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their most powerful evidence, genetic proof that OJ Simpson was
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at the crime scene, that his blood was mixed with
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the victim's blood, that the odds of someone else being
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responsible were literally astronomical. One in one hundred seventy million.
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Those were the odds that the blood at Bundy Drive
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belonged to anyone other than O J. Simpson. One in
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one hundred seventy million. You're more likely to be struck
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by lightning while winning the lottery than for that blood
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to belong to someone else. But Barry Sheck was about
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to prove that statistics don't matter if people don't trust
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the statisticians, that science doesn't matter if you can convince
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a jury that the scientists are incompetent, That being right
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doesn't matter if you can't explain why you're right in
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terms twelve people can understand. Thirty one days of watching
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the most sophisticated forensic evidence in legal history get explained
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away by contamination theories and collection complaints. Thirty one days
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of watching prosecutors turn certainty into confusion and proof into propaganda.
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I'm read Carter, this is day five of eight days
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of OJA. Welcome to the month we learned that DNA
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doesn't speak for itself. It needs translators, and the defense
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had better translators than the prosecution. May nineteen ninety five
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thirty one days that should have been the prosecution's victory lap.
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Thirty one days of presenting DNA evidence so overwhelming, so
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scientifically certain, so mathematically definitive that any reasonable jury should
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have convicted OJ Simpson before lunch. Instead, May became the
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month we learned that reasonable juries don't exist when the
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case is about celebrity and race instead of evidence and truth.
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The month began with the prosecution's DNA experts taking the
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stand to explain what should have been the simplest concept
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in the world. OJ Simpson's blood was at the crime
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scene where Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were murdered
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case closed trial over verdict guilty. But nothing in this
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case was ever simple because simplicity doesn't generate television ratings
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or defense fees or reasonable doubt. When you need unreasonable
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acquittals may second doctor Robin Cotton from cell Mark Diagnostics
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takes the stand. Cotton is one of the world's leading
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DNA experts. She's testified in hundreds of cases. She's helped
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pioneer the use of genetic evidence in criminal prosecutions. She
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should have been the witness who ended any doubt about
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Ojay's guilt. Instead, Cotton turned into a science professor, lecturing
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students who didn't want to be in class. Cotton explained
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restriction fragment length polymorphism testing. She described polymerase chain reaction amplification.
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She walked through statistical probability calculations that proved Ojay's guilt
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beyond any mathematical doubt. And I can see exactly what
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happened watching this testimony thirty years later. The jury's eyes
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glazed over, like they were back in high school chemistry,
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wondering when this would be over so they could go
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to lunch. The prosecution made their fatal mistake. Again, they
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assumed evidence speaks for itself. They assumed that being scientifically
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correct was the same as being persuasively convincing. They forgot
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that juries are made up of regular people who need
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to feel the weight of evidence, not just hear about it.
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Cotton testified about the blood found at Bundy Drive, OJ
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Simpson's blood, not blood that might be his, Not blood
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that was similar to his. OJ Simpson's actual DNA deposited
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at the scene where two people were murdered. The statistical
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probability that this blood belonged to someone else one in
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one hundred seventy million. Cotton explained this number multiple times,
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in multiple ways, with multiple charts and graphs. One in
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one hundred seventy million. There aren't one hundred seventy million
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people in Los Angeles. There aren't one hundred seventy million
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people in California. You could test every person in America
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and not find another DNA match to the blood at
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Bundy Drive. But Barry Sheck was ready with his contamination symphony.
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Sheck didn't dispute the DNA results. He couldn't. The science
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was too solid, the testing too reliable, the match is
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too perfect. Instead, he disputed everything else, how the blood
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was collected, how it was stored, how it was transported,
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how it was tested. May tenth, Jeck begins his cross
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examination of Cotton, and it's a masterpiece of misdirection. Instead
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of arguing about what the DNA showed, he argued about
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whether the DNA could be trusted. Was the blood properly refrigerated,
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where chain of custody protocols followed exactly? Were testing procedures
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performed in the correct sequence? Could contamination have occurred at
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any point in the process. Each question was designed to
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plant doubt about the reliability of results that showed OJ's
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guilt with mathematical certainty. Sheck wasn't trying to prove the
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DNA testing was wrong. He was trying to prove it
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was questionable, and with a jury that had already been
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convinced the LAPD couldn't be trusted with evidence collection questionable
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was enough for reasonable doubt, but May brought even more
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damning evidence from OJ's white Bronco, the vehicle that should
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have been his mobile. Confession to double murder. May fifteenth,
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the prosecution presents evidence from inside the Bronco, OJ's blood
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on the driver's door handle, on the steering wheel on
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the center console, Nicole's blood on the carpet, Ron's blood
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mixed with Ojays in multiple locations, hair evidence that matched Nicole,
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fiber evidence that matched the crime scene, a trail of
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physical proof that connected OJ to the murders as clearly
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as if he'd left a signed confession. The Bronco wasn't
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just OJ's car, it was his mobile crime scene. Every
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surface told the story of what happened June twelfth, nineteen
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ninety four. Oj drove from the murder scene with the
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victim's blood on his hands, in his car, on his clothes.
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But the defense had an answer for this too, contamination
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cross contamination evidence planting the same conspiracy theories that had
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worked for the other evidence would work for the Bronco.
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Evidence too. May also brought one of the most bizarre
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pieces of testimony in this entire bizarre trial. Jose Camacho,
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OJ's former cellmate, claimed Oj had told him about dreaming
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of killing Nicole. According to Camacho, OJ described a recurring
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dream where he confronted Nicole and got carried away, where
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his anger turned to violence, and violence turned to murder,
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where his jealousy and control issues finally exploded into deadly rage.
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This should have been devastating testimony, the defendant allegedly confessing
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to the crime in his sleep, revealing the psychological motivation
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behind the murders. But Camacho was a jailhouse informant with
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credibility issues. He was facing his own charges and had
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reason to lie for leniency. The defense destroyed his testimony
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by attacking his character and his motives, and Judge Itto,
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who had led in hours of DNA testimony that confused
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the jury, ruled that Camacho's testimony was too prejudicial to
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be fully heard. The jury got a sanitized version that
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didn't include the most damning details. Meanwhile, the defense was
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preparing their own see scientific counter narrative. Oj was too injured,
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too arthritic, too physically compromised to commit these murders. May twentieth.
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The defense presents evidence of Ojay's arthritis and other physical ailments.
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He was taking medication for joint pain. He had limited
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mobility in his hands. He was too crippled to overpower
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too healthy adults and kill them both. This was laughable.
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Oj Simpson was playing golf regularly, He was working out,
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He was physically active. And obviously capable of violence. But
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the defense sold this story with medical records and expert
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testimony that made oj seem like a decrepit old man
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instead of a former professional athlete. And here's what I
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think the prosecution should have done. They should have put
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Ojay on a golf course, should have shown video of
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him swinging clubs, walking courses, playing eighteen holes. Should have
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demonstrated that someone to arthritic to commit murder was somehow
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healthy enough for recreational sports. Instead, they let the defense
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paint Ojay as a victim of his own physical limitations,
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while ignoring evidence that he was perfectly capable of the
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violence that killed Nicole and Ron. But May's most important
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revelation was what the DNA evidence revealed about the jury itself.
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We could see them struggling with the scientific testimony. We
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could see their frustration with technical details they didn't understand.
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We could see them checking out mentally when experts started
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talking about statistical probabilities. The prosecution was presenting graduate level
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science to people who needed elementary level explanations. They were
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talking about molecular biology to jurors who needed to hear
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about blood and murder and guilt. In terms they could
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feel as well as understand. By May thirty first, the
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prosecution had presented the most scientifically conclusive evidence in legal history,
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DNA proof that OJ Simpson was guilty beyond any reasonable doubt,
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mathematical certainty that should have guaranteed his conviction. But they'd
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also lost the jury completely. They'd confuse them with complexity
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when they should have convinced them with clarity. They'd overwhelm
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them with data when they should have moved them with truth.
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The defense, meanwhile, had successfully planted enough doubt about the
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science to make the jury distrust the results. They'd turned
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DNA evidence from proof of guilt into proof of conspiracy.
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May nineteen ninety five was the month the prosecution proved
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OJ Simpson was guilty and proved that proof doesn't matter
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if you can't sell it to twelve people who've already
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decided they don't trust the system that's trying to prove it.
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Thirty one days of watching scientific certainty become reasonable doubt,
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thirty one days of watching mathematical proof become statistical confusion,
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thirty one days of watching DNA evidence that should have
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ended the trial become just another reason to distrust the evidence.
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We'll be right back with how May's scientific failure set
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the stage for June's catastrophic glove demonstration, The moment Chris
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Darden handed o ja A. Simpson his acquittal on live television.
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Welcome back to day five of eight Days of OJ.
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I'm Red Carter, and we're examining how May nineteen ninety
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five turned the most powerful forensic evidence in history into
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meaningless statistics. What really happened in May? The prosecution committed
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the same mistake they'd been making since January. They assumed
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that being right was enough to win. They assumed that
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scientific proof would overcome political prejudice. They assumed that DNA
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evidence would speak louder than defense theories. They were wrong
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about all of it. The jury that heard this DNA
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testimony wasn't interested in statistical probabilities. They were interested in
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police accountability. They weren't concerned with molecular biology. They were
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concerned with whether racist cops could be trusted with any evidence,
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scientific or otherwise. And Barry Czech understood this perfectly. He
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didn't need to disprove the DNA results. He only needed
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to make the jury distrust them. He didn't need to
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show the science was wrong. He only needed to show
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the scientists were fallible. May also revealed the prosecution's fundamental
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misunderstanding of their audience. They were presenting evidence to jurors
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who'd been selected by the defense specifically because they distrusted
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the LAPD. They were trying to convince people who'd already
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decided that police evidence couldn't be believed. Doctor Robin Cotton
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could explain restriction fragment length polymorphism analysis all day long.
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She could calculate statistical probabilities until the numbers filled the courtroom,
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but none of that mattered to jurors who'd been convinced
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that contaminated evidence produced contaminated results. And here's what frustrates
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me most about May nineteen ninety five. The prosecution had
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the smoking gun and decided to explain how gunpowder works
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instead of just showing the jury the bullet holes. They
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had OJ's blood at the crime scene. They had the
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victim's blood in his car. They had hair and fiber
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evidence connecting him to the murders. They had a timeline
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that put him at the scene. They had motive and
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opportunity and consciousness of guilt. They could have told a
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simple story. OJ. Simpson killed Nicole and Ron, left his
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blood at the scene, drove home with their blood in
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his car, and tried to cover up his crimes. The
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DNA proves this beyond any doubt. Instead, they told a
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complex story about allelk ladders and molecular weight determinations and
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population frequency databases. They turned a murder case into a
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science lecture and wondered why the jury stopped listening, But
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may also showed us something else. How the defense strategy
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had completely succeeded in transforming this case from murder trial
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to police misconduct hearing. Every piece of evidence became an
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opportunity to attack LAPD procedures. Every scientific result became a
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chance to question laboratory protocols. Every proof of guilt became
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a reason to doubt the people presenting the proof. The
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jury wasn't asking whether O. J. Simpson killed Nicole and
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Rawn anymore. They were asking whether the LAPD could be
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trusted to investigate anyone, especially a black celebrity. And with
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the LAPD's history of racism and incompetence, that was a
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fight the prosecution couldn't win, no matter how strong their evidence.
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By the end of May, I think both sides knew
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where this was heading. The prosecution knew their evidence was overwhelming,
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but their presentation was failing. The defense knew their client
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was guilty, but their strategy was working. The DNA evidence
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that should have guaranteed conviction had become just another exhibit
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in the case against the LAPD. The scientific proof that
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should have ended reasonable doubt had become the foundation for
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unreasonable conspiracy theories. May nineteen ninety five was the month
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we learned that in celebrity justice narrative, Trump's evidence every time,
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the defense had sold a better story about police corruption
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than the prosecution had sold about scientific proof, and the
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jury was buying what the defense was selling regardless of
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what the science was proving. The prosecution spent weeks on
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DNA evidence that meant nothing to a jury that had
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already decided the LAPD couldn't be trusted with simple evidence collection,
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let alone complex scientific analysis. They presented mathematical certainty to
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people who preferred political probability, They offered statistical proof to
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jurors who wanted emotional truth. They provided scientific evidence to
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people who needed moral conviction, And in the end, all
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