21 / Yariv Adan (ex-Google) und Murièle Bolay | Rettet AI mit Kreativität die Welt?

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I where come you to a very
special EPISODE of AI und

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Gesellschaft Wege in die neue
Welt this time it will be in

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English because we have a very
special guests here it's muriel

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so long boley who i know for
long time, she's a visionary and

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doing differencings also in the
field of ai of connected with AI

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and creativity.
And then we have he yarif adan

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who was was for misereal and he
was working a long time for

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google and developed
differencings there and is in in

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artificial intelligence much
longer and we all arg is or

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whens did you start to do
something with AI yarif?

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I did in dirty thousands, but
like the the last chapter of the

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last zero chaptered google
started around two

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thousandfifteen.
Ja so, ja so The Last stop to

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stop to the it're on two th
people and at the time spitch

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you can't start and lee much
much battle boss the ability of

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AI on the standard on spitch.
And also it started sounding and

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that kind of you know uped my
imagination and back, then i was

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action you know thinking of the
world i we have now we've just

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gpt that we are starting to feel
it what the means that we can

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like to the start communicating
we's machines music language.

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Because every in my carrier, i
my first experience with my on

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start up one the web revolution
happend and then like to on.

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I also have the operatunity
turked google and mobile happend

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and i suffest hand how every
time you do it technology that

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is more with you and more
intuitive to us, it's up them

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the connects people and it
enables new words and new

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services and completely new
class.

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This is of things that i'm just
of the things we do today on

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mobile.
The not exist the new verbs you

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know checking in checking in e
mail like you know all of the

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things the not exist for all of
this ups.

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And then i'd just imagine that
he's not the interface that then

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we you can speak to it to
express what you want you don't

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need to lernen you i you don't
need to lernen a computer, you

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don't need the Stream you don't
need the keyboard such them me

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any one can use so one that he's
three rolls i want to he's a

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hundred you rolls i want to he's
reach so one that he's pores i'm

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one that he's very technical so
i've have you've going to

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integrate if you've know I'd
I've want you can integration.

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Like it makeing everyly
intelligent, so so that Kind of

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start my imagination in the for
things we try to be it was the

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Google assistant so i was I'm on
the the team that start that the

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Google assistant so really
division was how can we make a

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in interface to computer.
That you can't can use speech

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you know again and language what
we are kind of the all users of

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and then a very shortly have
that we deside to give is to the

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google assistant because it's
very cleared that language is a

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very acurate.
But you don't want to us a

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language for everything you know
when you go to a restaurant, you

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don't one the water to readed
the and the manu to you you want

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to see the manu you just one to
chus and you don't want to chus

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we the tablet you want to speak
what you trus and we's that how

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do we combine i is we speak so
we created what be can google

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lens.
And then for multipleers i

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actually followed my
imagination.

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I try to crate.
What does it mean for an

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assistent to be proactive, what
does it mean for an assistent to

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understand your context, how can
we get assistance the ability to

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us to us that for intended for
humans, so we bild applications

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that assistent can call on the
phone can us the browser think

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that now we want to starting to
us ja that was an amazing

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journey.
And then i move to Google Cloud

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so in Google Cloud AI basically
in stat of building the intire

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application are sales.
We two the technology that

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google build the language
understanding models, the speech

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understanding models, the vision
models and we worked we's

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companies and enterprise is to
have them build or on

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experiences on top of our
models, so we worked in

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transciping healts in customers
support in in car assistance so

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so we.
That's a good starting point for

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our talk today because it's
about what artificial

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intelligence does bring to alive
and the specially we are going

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to talk about creativity.
And that's also something that

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solange is really involved in
moke, many creative things and

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one of those things is the
future of humanity experience

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witch will be take part you ring
art Basel, and maybe you can

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tellers a bit about what it is.
And just for a people to know

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you're already did somsing as
like a starter to this in the

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was it was a walk it what just
tell me about all the details i

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just herd about it so I'm not so
so good prepared, but you can

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tell us.
Absolute I'm have to do so and

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will you're asking this
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Something poped up, we we just
met like of you, there's a go

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and I'm remember you sing the
only downside of AI is it's name

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right, so i just because i think
this is the really creative a

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protuctory to think about AI and
how it is you know changing out

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a perception so.
Can you can like repeat that

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real like what you that there?
Yeah, so it's i think like you

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know.
I think AI create a lot of niger

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creation and expectations it for
thes good because artificial

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intelligence.
I think like you know there is

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nothing outpificial init, the
samway that you know what you

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know what you know Bird builds
and as to a monk you is a stick

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what we build is all so part of
nature and in extension of us

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and i think you does and stand
in any a special category

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competit or and i think also
intelligence is a very load at

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term that like you know when you
diggin like not not much, we

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don't trilly understand it and i
think it's a very load at term

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that then cats a lot of
reactions and a specialy.

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I like to contrastate for
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with all of to the things but
like for example, like nutch all

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a science is physics like that
that's out like a found it like

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much and my pin and you know
alice contoversal, but when you

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think what you're actually do in
natural, a science is like you

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know think about sern you're
outficialy generating some

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experiment, then you're
collecting some parshal data

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that is limited by or basical
trank to crate mathematical

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Modell that best on the data
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Something in the world, what
you're like the what i'm the

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intelligence that but like you
get this one not cheral sciences

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so people kind with soton
expectations and the discussion

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does and go to or so for
replaces when you qualitative

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intelligence and the me everyone
has a positive or negative Neger

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so so i think like it's nice to
have marketing, but i think in

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disk is the marketing just like
to to are spate from the

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substance.
So I Gould Love you know.

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Ja, Let's go it something Gels.
Ja and that's it interesting

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Perspektive because i am myself
so this artificial

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intelligencing come becomes more
and more natural because it's

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natural use to use it to
nowadays in my daily life and i

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think this happens.
As well is many other people,

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there's just today was a study
was publish about what do people

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use AI for the singies that
people use it as a companion and

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for there personal life so not
so much for business or

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entertain them, and so we come
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I think it is crusal crusal
crusal to have the curiosity to

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learn right and to be educated
what that actually means and

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do's to your body to them beable
to integrated.

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We're it probabley onlicious and
you us that words are will

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times.
I love it your imagination for

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something novel something that
does and existed in this world.

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And then it can of cours like
also be used for you know down

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word spival situations, we're
you probible are not quite aware

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of what technology is actually
doing doing do you to your brain

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and to your thugs and belief
systems and there for to your

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have.
You know by the end of the day

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so i think that's that's we're
creativity and health and well

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being and imagination and the
future all comes together so it

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really like education like
people like you really think you

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for you know stepping up and and
coming to the forfront and

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educating people and bringing
new a wearness to you.

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Know I'll like you know.
Passion are you mind myself of

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that?
I we just all was be like

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superhumble at the moment we're
like caveman, we just discovered

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fire and we're trunk to match
and what can you do is fire i

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can see you know we're in the
caval kay back in putfire and

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diffent corners of the caval i
like you know the potential of

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just like you know i think like
for starting to on the stand you

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know we're verimity like the
ferting that you us technology

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and you're discover is like in
you're on carant way of doing

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things but there.
Real Potential positive's.com up

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you know in action.
You know the world changes

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around it so think like really
you know caveman fire that's not

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quilly to know two early just
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shoe that we is the
carntivirment we controll it it

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can also already do lot of
damage, but i think like you

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know the potential he's farbion
in my opin in are kind and this

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the imagination and i think
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It's just in amazing the
portunity to to haveing bing

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born and haveing bing like you
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i's have aning and i think just
grub dat and and injoy the right

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that's.
All that's what I think is bell

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we live in very interesting
times, even live you have to be

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also to be of scard of it, we
just herd to they of some

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companies for.
Who i storing out there people

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and doing there that i do the
work as tell us what i you go

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planning to do it.
How does it work?

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So yeah with the future of
humanity experience, it was

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really an initiation that
started briefly before the world

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economic form happend.
This, your and.

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Total out and you know mit
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I want to get back to what you
just set with like you know.

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Companies liding go they're
employes certan economists and

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futures, they're predicting that
and you would probly say that

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evan havens here, but in about
like twenty, here's only 8% of

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the population actually works in
a way that we know work now so i

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find it of cars like you know
every individual who loes as

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it's job.
That's not phone and that

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changes you know intire family
situations and this and that you

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know zooming out a little bit
more and going to the future.

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It is a very interesting
transformation that we

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collective lee are experience
and right now and that's you

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sad, it's a super interesting
time at the same time chaling to

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live in and with the future of
you not at the experience we

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explorer this.
With like different feels that

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we are you know seeing as
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opians so from like Homos opians
if you belief in the system, but

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just that you know to us a word
we right that in two words homo

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meaning.
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so between the human and it's
system there's still quide gap

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that is what anima sopian's we
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stands for soul, we're by
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as a human rase evolve into like
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ourself's right, we will learn
to explorer.

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Our essence are hard
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Are you know capabilities and a
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an also Stream transhumanism.
Probably a lot have hered of

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that term already that is one
biology and technology actually

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merge right now.
We're still you know most of us,

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but not all of us are using
technology you know outside of

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biology as you know devices and
so one and sofort but more and

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more and this is another topic
that is very there to my heart

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is that we need to educate
people that in several industrys

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as specialy you know around to.
The health sector this merges

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and a lot of people don't even
know with that they are

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swallawing you know no particles
that can be very helpful in one

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way, but you just have to be
very where that if technology is

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in your body frequencies can go
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Right, so i can't send signals
out which will be very hauptful

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you know informative, but at the
sametime you can program.

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There's you know particles with
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I don't want to say one is good,
one is bad, one is bad or one is

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was all i want to say is they're
need to have and all a lot of

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education about for people to no
how to design.

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It's not only about things in
the future and I'll but it's all

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are you if you have it all of
the electronical devices and

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things and kameras and.
Think that we are really so

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this, this world is already in
in part of a world, just what

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just tell me what execly or is
going to happen in Basel on the

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was like workshops or
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or what execly or you going to
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right we.
That this inspiration to bring

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more creativity to acroud that
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know there in the world economic
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like you know when you like back
in history creative, we're

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always some what for seeing the
future and we're you know part

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of a kingdom you know part of
like the Kings.

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to lead his his people tours to
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things and we one it to bring
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together because you can learn
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because they just a lot of them
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outside of the box, the boxes,
the univers you know it goes for

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some time.
And we reached so people just

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with the word, the future of
humanity from around the world

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like we have artist from six
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of there networks and so on and
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literity digital Art and a
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Art.
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we we sorry we we're sing ok and
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to continue.
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from today and we just sad ok
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time at you know a conference to
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right, so not this classical
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three people talking and the
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one a go into a dialog with
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very select group of people
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We will invite into the space
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you know tuning online.
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of space for like inperson
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It will be a dialog.
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this is one part and we want to
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humanity report out of that that
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know two many industrys and
companies out there that is like

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one part, we still have the
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top of that we will have an
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speaking to this topic, it's
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Art Beat and it will be an
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We're you can two like you can
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beat and you're going to be
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you're now in state of the all
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go on two like a very creative,
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So, if you're don't get me
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coming from this hole creative
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It's what's you're.
I're not you're all so coming

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from the technical site and the
business site, so but this all

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this bothes map merches together
so what makes the moment you're

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looking for you're investing in
start ups connected to ai, so

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what makes it so important oder
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Is creativeity aspekt is this it
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Can't touch Creative to us so i
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you know topic of future of
ubinity you're I'm a optimist

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and i'm going to like building
and makeing the future but that

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and and we we know we know all
of psycholity tears of that is

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humans we're los of vers it's
much will pen for for us to just

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ten dollars then to we know
hundred dollars and i think we

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can't focusing on all the things
of we mike los like but.

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I like to Fokus on if we have AI
tomorrow, what can we fix and

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today as a society we struggle
we so many problems that are at

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the moment to complex for on
intelligence to so valone have

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education, climate pollution,
immigration global economy, you

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know geting to space science
finding Medicine Dilling with a

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pedemic you know or of the
things that i like you know

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superpan von super important at
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We don't have a good past will
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suddenly we have this technology
that that's bring the promi's

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toxaly accelery that i think
that's a you'd game and very

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acciting for the future of the
conomy and for for a society

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interesting for the am slip so i
think like for is like you know

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so i think like there is a lot
of you have we're talk about the

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riskinst up, but we're also look
at the potential upsight.

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And way them now we about the
creativeity i actually and

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almost very every on have to i
start to working in the product

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I've actually going to AI art,
so I've in AI art space for a

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decka and two things like to me
back to you know what create

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first because you know the
moment i was thinking ok so i

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create the sing that sees and
speaks and can and just stand

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me.
What exiting things can i do?

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Is it also the business and
product as it all art what be

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amazing you know can we do art
to get them and i do think that

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definitiv go to me super exited
back is the forest I'm castbar

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of say and then off to what's
these a don't see the same about

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go that one they song AI plank
chess or plank go we'll the

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famest move number for the same
and what every twas.

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Such on lee, they so a one new
way to play the game.

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They think just play the game
different in AU mit and then i's

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at well.
Ok, that's apply that to

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otherfield and one again that
cam to art you know i think we

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think that we i like you know
supercative and open mind it.

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But i was are you know very
exited by the option to can i

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partner with something that is
intelligent, but in a different

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was and me can it actually open
our rises to completely

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different way of doing art and
looking at art and thinking

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about arts i start to that very
naivly i deside to start and

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convers with the art world.
The contemporary Art foral and

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to them Hey AI new white it no
no they'll me meet itly we don't

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want to he about machines and
art art as for humans by humans

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and then i that ok for get
outificial intelligence, imagine

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alien intelligence emanian
aliens coming from a different

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star and telling us hey, we do
art we want to do art with you

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we want to discus are, but we
you don't know no no this on of

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quest you with one to do it.
And i don't have aliens at the

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moment, but AI is as close to
aliens as we will have a get and

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i actually create it alien
intelligencethat.org and i like

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to the started this and i
started this conversation i got

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fasted it so i got actually to
create out ai art myself so i

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like a create at someworks in
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trunk to think ok so I've Aliens
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What would i do?
We that me for i want to explain

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to them art so that was the
first project and then i think

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that i with one to do is to
communicate that idea that art

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at lest for me is the projection
of an idea for one medium to

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another.
That's a life you sudely to see

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to in a completely different
like this is have i view art and

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then i's at ok what objection
that i think and i's like the

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human face this is two those and
fifte and i's ok i would like i

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call it to para idolia.
Paradolia is this mental

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condition that you see phases in
plases with that and no phases,

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you know i've going to you know
is it and what i want to to do

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is to start with very classic
portrates of phases and then

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askit train it to create the
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this depics to dates is it backs
and it was very are.

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I need it to train my on model i
scrapeds or you museums websites

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and stop to to train my on modas
it was nothing to us back then

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but then i want to slowly to
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It now to abstract art and then
to object and see what kind of

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face is that bai get to see that
was the first project igerated

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and then i learns so that
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Hey, this is not a tool.
This is some in the taz it's on

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wish is and limited i came was
my on idea out the project to be

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and it end it up very different
i feldmuch more like AQ orafer

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walking with the danceal or
composal with the orchestra

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radrven you know some one with a
brush.

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And that's got to me if an
frasering to AR and i get it's a

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more critical works on AI, so
i'm like you know.

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I'm like all in on on AR and
creative t and ya so i think

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it's like again i think it's we
should and to limit technology

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no even products in or there
games or social there is

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communication there is
productivity and i think art is

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just like and not the aspekt
with this i madeing technology

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can and reachers.
So kurz we say that Baby.

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That what the call artificial
intelligence if it's not to good

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name, bring s art and our life
or bring makes makes more sense

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out of art or makes art with the
sense for thinking out of the

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box to bringing us to other
ideas with smite also help us

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and other aspects of a life like
the health systems or.

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Ja.
So for you think health as.

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One of the projects of them
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is I'm.
And you know as you know AI is

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not creative, so I'm action you
think AI to be a creative mental

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for people right you know many
people have that tability, but

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then it someone to have them get
it to out you know what is the

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sing to guide you know to find
to create this i like to create

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and AI that helpes you is a you
man find the creative to in you

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so so then me because this
creative mental with II think

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it's a funny interesting white,
so is it creative or not if it

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are so so, so so so so that that
I'm think that that I'm exited

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then as for sure i think.
It can and rich and and just

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like bring new idea and and any
one the interacted and bounce to

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idea cemaxary.
So interaction of devity, I'm in

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we was this are known for.
We was we call Schubladen

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denken, we think in boxes and
there there's art and there's

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business.
And there's i don't know economy

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or the hell system or i don't
know medicine and this of things

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it everything together and.
This i think you for sing that

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because i think that is
executive the evolution or

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transformation that we're now
going to as you know a global

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society.
It is about understanding that

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if wething is connected and
intertwind and if you approach

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this, you know as a hobby.
You can not separate that hobby

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be in a creative person from
your daily job.

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It's some how influences you
because you are still you right

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so all of as i'm you like at
something from a different

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perspektive just because the
night befor you're like you know

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exploring something and found
som found out something about

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yourself what you do it don't
befor right so the next they you

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go to work you bring this in
and.

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The most crusal thing is that we
break free and we explorer are

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selfs because it can't very will
be that the example that you're

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all today is going to hit
manymore companies you know many

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many people will be in the
streets and if they don't know

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what to do with them selfs right
we have.

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Little bit of a Social is you
right there, so it's an now a

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social responsibility as leaders
and futures and you know policy

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makers and so one and so fors to
really for see that this mic

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happen so how to we need to
educate people and give them

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guidance in learning how to
build something proactively when

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they have all the freedom they
were always hoping for to have

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because what do you do with all
your time?

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When you have a new purpus.
What a do you cate it sounds of

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a little bit what very what top
Down.

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I think we just have to bring
them on the or we're have to

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bring it or on i new ideas and
new perspektives.

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I what probably say media quit
coming here and really.

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Play for me with games with you
know like gatherings of all

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sorts, but educading in a
playful way not like you know

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the way we know it from school
officy, but i think media can

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really be a proactive leader in
that by not sing this is good or

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this is bad, but just like if
you try that.

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How do it make you feel if you
try the other?

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How do that make you feel right
because what you're just sing

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you know with this AI artistic
coach?

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I what say that is grate and
then also in order to not

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bekomme that one they as a human
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It is also very deportant do
teak do to det touch yourself

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from it and just you know sit.
Maybe you know some really

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nature reconnect with the basics
and be like what comes out of me

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without in me tools and
technology, and then one's you

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have like this.
You know Inspiration or what

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have or coms you then go and
you's that coach to a millerate

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and inprove you know.
It's i think we have to be where

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you aware of everything what i
think it's not only in the

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media, it's also what what doing
for long time like inventing all

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just cool things like Google
Lens and all all the other

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things and what you doing now
like you're investing in AI

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00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,520
companies and all do's people i
can just is the other side is

440
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:35,360
there other people have new
business ideas or ideas how to

441
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,400
change.
And the world and like the world

442
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,000
better as well, this is some new
tools and i think it's not on in

443
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,560
the medias also important that
we have people and companies and

444
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,240
people who support them like
like you to my i say so.

445
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,360
To that and that is proba lee,
we're you know the future of

446
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,680
your manity com's in again.
It's grate to be things right

447
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,000
what i am seeing the is.
That there is offentimes no

448
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,480
direction, no no star.
What are we building this for

449
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,720
offentimes it's very very short
sideed very still very money

450
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,960
driven you know some times a
little bit of purpus in it, but

451
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,880
what i wanna see and that is you
know we're the future of

452
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,800
humanity is a viucl for is that
we have clear visionaries coming

453
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,040
together and.
Off and times when i talk with

454
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,800
you know decision makers and i
ask them will how do you for see

455
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,520
the world that you are co
building.

456
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,720
Oh, we have that's the difical
question, so we need to have

457
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:51,080
visionaries that or clearly
defining you know anort start

458
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,440
and then based on that build
companies or build new ideals,

459
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,120
but not just randomly something
because.

460
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,120
It's not for the grate or good
of the society and i think we

461
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120
have to be very careful with our
resources and thinkmore in a

462
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,880
circular.
You know aconomy way so we

463
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,920
should build things that are
actually moving us for word in a

464
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,920
in to a world that we want to
live in.

465
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,400
You if it's in that in value
word working it google, the

466
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,760
we're some ai principles I'll.
At estabulishing them was what

467
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680
what what Kind of principles for
the.

468
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Also i also the i like to the
good and fortful i don't you'm

469
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,400
in the all of them but basic
lead was to be a very

470
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responsible steward, the was
asset of very clearsings that we

471
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,960
would not do and and you know no
harm and not get involved in

472
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,520
certan industrys.
And i think like you know be

473
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:01,040
transparent and in form, and but
actuity are you it's i actuity

474
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,880
we out it like so when we open
the.

475
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,800
Are fund that investing in AI,
we actually took inspired by

476
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,160
dispensibles bei google, we
actually in are on corporation,

477
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,000
we we mets similar commitments
and principle we're up to

478
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,600
ditalitabit so it's relevant to
a fund, but basically you know

479
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,320
to to dispond is much is we can
to make sure that we actually

480
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,360
support AI for good i think
there is the naval portunity and

481
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,640
III i'd just some of the areas
we're there is bos and

482
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,960
economical.
Benefit for intreprenored

483
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
because it the and out the one's
that i'm makeing musal the

484
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,600
progress, but there is also
benefit from society to be very

485
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,760
shotful and and desize if in in
making shure that we do i for

486
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,240
good and at the samtime haveing
very clues of and red lines that

487
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,560
we're not going to that
direction and i get that's very

488
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,720
important i think.
You know there is a debatte you

489
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,640
know you know is there in
invisible hand of the economy.

490
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Oh can you you know?
Can you really point the economy

491
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,720
and i know i think definity we
need to make sure that the same

492
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,920
will some of position that i'm
not of risoses that are bing put

493
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,240
in to building product to is
economic value is also bing put

494
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
to make sure that one we're
kiting such a power for

495
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,200
technology reactity on the stand
it and we can controll it and of

496
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200
fors controlled there is what
the technology das but.

497
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,160
So what are you critarius today?
We know there's when you're

498
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,120
you're going for startup
companies with ideas, so do you

499
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,880
is there in aspekt of like out,
we can make a lot of money with

500
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,480
it for is it all more like out
is is a really a new idea we can

501
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,200
bring som som benefit to are
society.

502
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,480
So for sure we we always you
know a commitmentor investors

503
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,400
must be all so you know like
you're the things to be

504
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:11,760
successfood we are ja, but then
like you know we we're going on

505
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
pass i so you know for example
companies that we have invested

506
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:21,120
in are in the drug design space
are in how do you we do's?

507
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,440
Energy consumption in in
Manufaction Optimize

508
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Manufacturing in Security
makeing shoe that agents of

509
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Secure harkan you random modus
morificently on on device is a

510
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,320
losecure fast there and sever so
there is a lot for me there in

511
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,080
natur all a limance like you
know i always.

512
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,360
Gravitate or it's this areas, i
want to feel good, i like a

513
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,360
don't want to be sex and for and
feel that about what I'm doing

514
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,080
you so.
But in all of that, also the

515
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,480
creativeity has a main roll like
as.

516
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,960
Yes, i can know to me
creativeity you know it's basity

517
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640
navigating the space of all
possible.

518
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,320
I dias and landing on original
Hi Value One so I'm also the

519
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,480
space is just like noise.
And then you know i there right,

520
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,040
there is a lot of trivial.
I ideas floting out there that

521
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,560
any one you know is there is a
land of after ten minute

522
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,760
thinking, but in grill creative
to you know and people of sign

523
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,080
well is designed of you know
ideas and forts that the pass to

524
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,560
get them is not trivial and is a
unit to have like discind of

525
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000
people just i have a weld way of
very smartway to traferisal that

526
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,160
ideas or the some how rich it.
But i also really strongly that

527
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,520
that like when you the best
ideas that kinding when you're

528
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,040
pushing the limits in building
stuff because the grate ideas

529
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,240
doesnt kind of your brain, the
grate ideas kind of reality, you

530
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,480
can you have the sortisies of
how it the words it be you bild

531
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
something.
And now reality coms with it's

532
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,960
or color for chalenges and just
like puts this used chalenge to

533
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,560
you that there is no way
through.

534
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,200
I don't been creative and this
is what i love you know that

535
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,200
kind of really products and it
the cuting edge and there's

536
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,320
complex and big of there we that
can be because you are just

537
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,440
forest to to thin creative, and
we know is humans that anising

538
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,680
that requires a lot of energy.
In Sports or you know, I'm think

539
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960
it's the resent to strong for
thing funktion you just don't do

540
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,200
it so, so yes, so like I love it
you know walking we start ups

541
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,200
that are on the bleeding edge of
technology and product dreaming

542
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,840
beak at pushing cost there the
one satal.

543
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,400
The horizon of what's possible
with discrazy dream of i one to

544
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,880
change the world and that's the
engine of amazing and inspiring

545
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,480
ideas so this is like in a why i
because in investor and why i

546
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,000
work we start ups and so for me
yes, i need to tright to like

547
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000
it's access with, but it's
passion for really creating

548
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,720
something out of nothing that's
my big a passion.

549
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,280
And looking from that
Perspektive what?

550
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,200
What's so exiting about the
project, solange is and wolfed

551
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,280
in and you know as well.
Because i think nothing can be

552
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,280
more open ended, then the future
of humanity like youtube the

553
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,760
timed dimension youtube,
everything the matters most.

554
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,120
And you're but you're poting it
very going to right like you

555
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,440
know, they're are very big and
concreate questions now was this

556
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,480
like you know crasy technology
that is fast of that we can

557
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,600
conprient.
And i also believe that like you

558
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560
know smoothing like like i think
like if in the question on

559
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,320
creativeity that that's begin
off the question of you know are

560
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,120
home, you manity that that's be
goso.

561
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,800
I think this conversations of so
important and you know we you

562
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,880
guys, we're talking about what's
the most important for people i

563
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,440
just think that people need to
be in formed that big

564
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,720
asproblem.com we people are
uninformed and then it's are

565
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,360
like you's when manipulate the
populate is right and then

566
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,800
that's the word because people
are manipulate.

567
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,840
We is in agenda so so i think
like the most important thing is

568
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,200
to have conversations and idealy
conversations that are

569
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,160
connecting different polarized
that to be a frate of polarized

570
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,480
distutions bring people from
different areas in or artist

571
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,720
bilder, thinkers, scientist and
and and tust them we is hey guys

572
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,880
putogether a petrum the future
on humanity i think that's an

573
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,720
amazing access is that evening
fit.

574
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,400
That's and gerate an iminted
Value, I'm British oder that

575
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,400
seeed so much things that when
you will looking Perspektive,

576
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,960
you will a baby ah ok, this is
we're this beauted for thing was

577
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,400
first seeed it so are this is
I'm anmising people so are I'm

578
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,560
like super exrited it's.
We're already about our normal

579
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,080
time, but it was a very
interesting talk so for and what

580
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,240
i want to have you the last
word.

581
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,520
Yeah, so you know haveing some
one like yarif here and like

582
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,000
just see in the quality of the
people that we will bring

583
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,680
together.
I do have a more future oriented

584
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:16,200
question, we're talking about
aiiiiii some circles are talking

585
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,880
about AGI right and i feeling
certan industrys it's actually

586
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,440
used already a lot more then.
They bring to the table and that

587
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,960
is we're people are not informed
about it and that is what i

588
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,720
would really like to see that we
not only what you're sing you

589
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,080
know like takeling down
optimizing you know what we

590
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,960
already have but actually
stepping over that into the

591
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,320
ideal version of i are you know
future and then revers engineer

592
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,880
and see.
Is that even need it to up to

593
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,760
maise that and really then you
know takal that down and really

594
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,440
investing to those you know
visions that filler that

595
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,760
nortstar i'm think that word
over and will over it just that

596
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,080
is what i'm really care is about
if you can.

597
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,680
And something with AGI because i
think that with bring us like to

598
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,360
a little bit of a more
futuristic level.

599
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,880
Of cors, there's so much going
on almost not almost every big,

600
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,000
almost every day.
I we I'm think you will be is

601
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,720
there and and develop and also
doing the time we doing this

602
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,160
podcast we just like one and the
half years now so mal so many

603
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,880
things developed and.
And i'm sure that this was not

604
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,160
the last time.
We we me met as he i hope you to

605
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,680
have you to have you here again.
We have do as here.

606
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,040
It's out of it, the future of
you man at teed on.

607
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,880
We Gould we go it.
We can it so to what's things

608
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,560
going on and thank you very much
and i wish you all the west and

609
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,320
it's fix suxess and them very
curies to here about what's

610
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,760
going on and.
And it's like to be a part of it

611
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,080
is.
What I you see you, I don't we

612
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,200
all.
Ok, so think you're right what

613
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,720
thanks for call me here.
And you was one.